Pascal's Wager: What Have I Lost?

[seer]

along with everything that entails: trees, houses, animals, birds, dolphins, schnauzers, horses, monkeys, chimps, etc.

And Brandy, don't forget the Brandy!

[Sparko]

And Brandy, don't forget the Brandy!

Right. She's a fine girl. What a good wife she would be.

[seer]

Right. She's a fine girl. What a good wife she would be.

"But my life, my lover, my lady is the sea"

[Sparko]

"But my life, my lover, my lady is the sea"

Arr, matey. That it be.

[Jedidiah]

Ah. I didn't quite grasp the connection there. Thanks.

Sorry.

ETA: See my response to Tassman, the very next post.

[Jedidiah]

My "Mere mortal father" did command me to do things like avoiding running out in the street without looking. God's command is of that exact sort.

[Sparko]

[stfoskey15]

Why does God say that, in your minds?

Anyone have an answer to why God says we're already condemned? Why does he set standards he knows people can't reach?

[Tassman]

My "Mere mortal father" did command me to do things like avoiding running out in the street without looking. God's command is of that exact sort.

Certainly! But the greatest

[Tassman]

Anyone have an answer to why God says we're already condemned? Why does he set standards he knows people can't reach?

So he can come and "save us". If he didn't have to Atone for our sins, 'god the son' would be out of a job

[Jedidiah]

Certainly! But the greatest

You need a remedial reading course, Tass.

[Starlight]

Why does he set standards he knows people can't reach?

I think such doctrine is a misreading of the bible. But yeah, I think there are quite a lot of conceptual problems with standard evangelical protestant teaching and that your question is a decent one.

[Roy]

Heaven is not going to be us flying around on clouds in the sky playing harps. The bible says that God is going to renew the Earth and make it into a paradise and then the heavenly city will come down to Earth and God will dwell with us. That means we will be living on Earth, along with everything that entails: trees, houses, animals, birds, dolphins, schnauzers, horses, monkeys, chimps, etc.

Ta.

[seer]

Anyone have an answer to why God says we're already condemned? Why does he set standards he knows people can't reach?

Look at it this way. We are hybrids, animal and spiritual beings. Some where along the line the animal began dominating the spiritual. Hence sin. But God is not asking you to be morally perfect in your present condition, He is asking you to put your trust in him. To the best of your ability, to seek and love Him. He is the cure - any man can avail himself of that saving grace if he so chooses.

[Sparko]

Anyone have an answer to why God says we're already condemned? Why does he set standards he knows people can't reach?

Read Genesis. Adam and Eve. they could have met the standard but chose not to. We are their "crack babies" - God felt sorry for us and gave us a way to get clean.