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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    They are prisoners already condemned because they murdered people. They are being killed because they are murderers. The pardon is an escape from their just punishment. It is not a judgment. It doesn't magically turn the reason for their death from being a murderer to being too stupid to accept the pardon. The executioner didn't say "you are being killed because you refused the pardon!" he says, "you are being killed because you have murdered"
    But they are being killed because they refused the pardon, since if they had accepted the pardon they would not have been killed.

    Your analogy regarding murderers fails because not everyone is a murderer. It is just an attempt to avoid the consequence of your beliefs that you omitted from your reply:

    Under your stated view, the only criterion for whether some-one goes to heaven or hell is whether they are a Christian. Nothing else matters. The most generous, helpful, gentle and charitable person imaginable would, if they rejected Christianity for any reason, be damned, while a raping murdering violent thug would be saved by a deathbed conversion to Christianity. Your view of god is literally "If you don't follow me, I'll torture you for eternity".
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    • Originally posted by Roy View Post

      Under your stated view, the only criterion for whether some-one goes to heaven or hell is whether they are a Christian. Nothing else matters. The most generous, helpful, gentle and charitable person imaginable would, if they rejected Christianity for any reason, be damned, while a raping murdering violent thug would be saved by a deathbed conversion to Christianity.
      Correct. Biblical Christianity mainly about relationship with God, not behavior.
      Originally posted by Roy View Post
      Your view of god is literally "If you don't follow me, I'll torture you for eternity".
      Not at all. God says, "If you don't want to have a personal relationship with me, I'll grant your wish."
      "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        How would your postulated immaterial ‘soul’ interact with the material body, where’s the point of connection?
        That is a very good question. Leviticus suggests in some way by way of blood in the body (Leviticus 17:11; James 2:26).


        Humans are intelligent primates, what more can be said?
        It is not for no reason.


        It does. Our abilities evolved over millions of years from microorganisms via natural selection
        At what point does ability come from inability?
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          That is a very good question. Leviticus suggests in some way by way of blood in the body (Leviticus 17:11; James 2:26).
          Have Leviticus’ and James' hypotheses been verified?

          It is not for no reason.
          No more than for other intelligent primates like say, orangutans.

          At what point does ability come from inability?
          This tiresome question is not as significant as you seem to think. Once again: “ability” evolved incrementally via natural selection from the earliest forms of life on the planet, i.e. ocean-based microorganisms.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            Have Leviticus’ and James' hypotheses been verified?
            Blood transfusions save lives. Living bodies breath.
            In the Christian world view those writings are regarded as the word of God.

            No more than for other intelligent primates like say, orangutans.
            You are joking right? What is the DNA evidence which makes mankind's intelligence superior to all the other primates? Do we even know yet?



            This tiresome question is not as significant as you seem to think. Once again: “ability” evolved incrementally via natural selection from the earliest forms of life on the planet, i.e. ocean-based microorganisms.
            That is no answer. Even assuming mankind ultimately evolved from primitive RNA life forms or what ever - the ability had to be there for it to happen. Ability does not come from nothing.
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
              What is the DNA evidence which makes mankind's intelligence superior to all the other primates?
              Do you mean to say that you doubt, because of lack of evidence, that our intelligence is superior to theirs?

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              • Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                Blood transfusions save lives. Living bodies breath.
                In the Christian world view those writings are regarded as the word of God.
                What point are you making? Orangutans have blood too, does that mean they have ‘souls’ according to “the word of God”?

                You are joking right? What is the DNA evidence which makes mankind's intelligence superior to all the other primates? Do we even know yet?
                One doesn’t require DNA evidence to understand that humans are more intelligent than orangutans any more than one needs such evidence to discern that orangutans are more intelligent that say, sheep.

                That is no answer. Even assuming mankind ultimately evolved from primitive RNA life forms or what ever - the ability had to be there for it to happen. Ability does not come from nothing.
                “Ability” is an evolved quality, it evolves incrementally. It does not exist separately from the process of Natural Selection. Sheesh!
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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