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  • Peter Singer: Consent not always needed

    On case of Stubblefield, accused of rape of patient with cerebral palsy DJ:

    Originally posted by Singer
    A central issue in the trial was whether D.J. is profoundly cognitively impaired, as the prosecution contended and the court seemed to accept, or is competent cognitively but unable to communicate his thoughts without highly skilled assistance, as the defense contended. If we assume that he is profoundly cognitively impaired, we should concede that he cannot understand the normal significance of sexual relations between persons or the meaning and significance of sexual violation. These are, after all, difficult to articulate even for persons of normal cognitive capacity. In that case, he is incapable of giving or withholding informed consent to sexual relations; indeed, he may lack the concept of consent altogether.

    This does not exclude the possibility that he was wronged by Stubblefield, but it makes it less clear what the nature of the wrong might be. It seems reasonable to assume that the experience was pleasurable to him
    ; for even if he is cognitively impaired, he was capable of struggling to resist, and, for reasons we will note shortly, it is implausible to suppose that Stubblefield forcibly subdued him. On the assumption that he is profoundly cognitively impaired, therefore, it seems that if Stubblefield wronged or harmed him, it must have been in a way that he is incapable of understanding and that affected his experience only pleasurably....there is little reason to suppose that Stubblefield harmed D.J.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/03/o...case.html?_r=0
    According to Singer, 'if someone not capable of giving informed consent, having sex with him mebbe not wrongful because he might enjoy it! Who needs consent???' Of course, we could ask him 'in that case does not logic of yours justify bestiality?'

    Libs' sacred Consent: can be thrown in dumpster any time! And when progs wanna dump it to normalize sex with animals they will do it with reasoning like Singer's ("[animals] may lack the concept of consent altogether...makes it less clear what the nature of the wrong might be. It seems reasonable to assume that the experience was pleasurable to [animals]...")
    Last edited by demi-conservative; 04-23-2017, 01:47 AM.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    'Informed consent' goes out of window!! Power differential between therapist and disabled patient? "Who cares!!!", is attitude of truly enlightened progressive progs.
    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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    • #3
      yep. opens the door for pedophilia to be normalized.

      and any kind of rape. ("but he or she had an orgasm so they enjoyed it meaning consent wasnt needed!")

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      • #4
        Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
        On case of Stubblefield, accused of rape of patient with cerebral palsy DJ:



        According to Singer, 'if someone not capable of giving informed consent, having sex with him mebbe not wrongful because he might enjoy it! Who needs consent???' Of course, we could ask him 'in that case does not logic of yours justify bestiality?'

        Libs' sacred Consent: can be thrown in dumpster any time! And when progs wanna dump it to normalize sex with animals they will do it with reasoning like Singer's ("[animals] may lack the concept of consent altogether...makes it less clear what the nature of the wrong might be. It seems reasonable to assume that the experience was pleasurable to [animals]...")
        Singer already makes the implicit case for bestiality in his paper "Heavy Petting."

        https://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/2001----.htm
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        • #5
          Well there it is the most screwed up thing I have seen in a while.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by TheWall View Post
            Well there it is the most screwed up thing I have seen in a while.
            The sad thing is, after 64 years on this earth, nothing that leftists come up with surprises me. They simply have no firm ethical foundation.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              "indeed, he may lack the concept of consent altogether."

              One more vector by which liberal consent morality can be overrun by pedophilia and bestiality.
              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                According to Singer, 'if someone not capable of giving informed consent, having sex with him mebbe not wrongful because he might enjoy it!
                The same could be said for someone too drunk to make a real decision. FAIL
                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                • #9
                  Seriously what bogus is this? Saying something is OK just because one consents leads to all kinds of insane conclusions. For instance If I got consent to shoot someone would I be punished? If I am impaired or inebriated does that mean I am to be held to my conclusion in spite of my impaired state? This takes no consideration to virtue or justice.
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                  • #10
                    Where academe is going...

                    "Paedophilic interest is natural and normal for human males,” said the presentation. “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children … Normal males are aroused by children.”

                    Some yellowing tract from the Seventies or early Eighties, era of abusive celebrities and the infamous PIE, the Paedophile Information Exchange? No. Anonymous commenters on some underground website? No again.

                    The statement that paedophilia is “natural and normal” was made not three decades ago but last July. It was made not in private but as one of the central claims of an academic presentation delivered, at the invitation of the organisers, to many of the key experts in the field at a conference held by the University of Cambridge.

                    Other presentations included “Liberating the paedophile: a discursive analysis,” and “Danger and difference: the stakes of hebephilia.”

                    Hebephilia is the sexual preference for children in early puberty, typically 11 to 14-year-olds.

                    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/1...for-males.html
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                      Seriously what bogus is this? Saying something is OK just because one consents leads to all kinds of insane conclusions. For instance If I got consent to shoot someone would I be punished? If I am impaired or inebriated does that mean I am to be held to my conclusion in spite of my impaired state? This takes no consideration to virtue or justice.
                      Get drunk, go to Las Vegas with another drunk, go to a drive through wedding parlour ... what is the outcome? Get a divorce when you sober up without having to go through all the legal proceedings?
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheWall View Post
                        Seriously what bogus is this? Saying something is OK just because one consents leads to all kinds of insane conclusions. For instance If I got consent to shoot someone would I be punished? If I am impaired or inebriated does that mean I am to be held to my conclusion in spite of my impaired state? This takes no consideration to virtue or justice.
                        I wonder if Starlight will come in here and defend Singer's statements. He's made it know that he's quite fan of the guy.

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                        • #13
                          Singer is obviously an idiot.
                          The person who garners attention by saying outrageous things.
                          The Kim Kardashian of ethicists.
                          Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                            I wonder if Starlight will come in here and defend Singer's statements. He's made it know that he's quite fan of the guy.
                            This is one of those silly threads where people take turns saying dumb things. Any serious analysis or discussion would be out of place. I'll leave you guys to your fantastic claims.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              yep. opens the door for pedophilia to be normalized.

                              and any kind of rape. ("but he or she had an orgasm so they enjoyed it meaning consent wasnt needed!")
                              As well as bestiality and necrophilia. Oh wait. Singer is in favor of those as well.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

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