What about the paraklete?

[shunyadragon]

Why don't you invite your prof and your Muslims friends to help you out?

I do and they have very adequate explanations for all that we are discussing. It is you that fails to make any sense at all.

Of course the Koran is not directly referred to by name in the Koran, but the reference is clearly to the source of the scripture that makes up the Koran. The (Quran) in the translation gives reference to the scripture that makes up the Quran.

The 'Bible' is not referred to, mentioned or described in the Bible, and, of course, no where in the Bible is it referred to as divinely inspired Book. If you think this fact is in the Bible show me. There may be references to divinely inspired scripture, but nowhere does it refers to what that scripture consists of. The only possibility I can come up with is the Laws given by God to Moses.

[Bowman]

I do and they have very adequate explanations for all that we are discussing. It is you that fails to make any sense at all.

Then bring forth their material, if you are honest.

Of course the Koran is not directly referred to by name in the Koran, but the reference is clearly to the source of the scripture that makes up the Koran. The (Quran) in the translation gives reference to the scripture that makes up the Quran.

Not even close.

Try again.

The 'Bible' is not referred to, mentioned or described in the Bible, and, of course, no where in the Bible is it referred to as divinely inspired Book. If you think this fact is in the Bible show me. There may be references to divinely inspired scripture, but nowhere does it refers to what that scripture consists of. The only possibility I can come up with is the Laws given by God to Moses.

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)



And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)



And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)



The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

John was directly inspired to write down the Words of God.

Further, if you have ever read the Book of Revelation it is a summary of the Biblical books that came Before it.


Now…

According to the followers of Islam, their “prophet Muhammad” was responsible for the written text which comprises their Koran.

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired”



Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.


What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

[shunyadragon]

Then bring forth their material, if you are honest.

I did that and you are ignoring it.

Honest?!?!?

You lack any ethics and honesty at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are totally blinded by your cling to an ancient controted view.

Not even close.

Try again.

Not even close. try again.

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Does not say what words this quote refers to. Not even close. try again.

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

Makes no reference to what scripture may be called inspired or divine. Not even close. Try again.

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

Showed what?!?!?! Not even close try again. the book of Revelation is a vision of many, many interpretations, and it is not clear at all what is referred to in these passages

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

Foolish claim with nothing to support it.

John was directly inspired to write down the Words of God.

It would not make any difference whether John was inspired or not. There is no indication in the book of Revelation what he was referring to only many, many different interpretations of of the vision in the Book of Revelation..

Further, if you have ever read the Book of Revelation it is a summary of the Biblical books that came Before it.

A v e r y l o n g s t r e t c h of your imagination. There is nothing of the sort in the Book of Revelation.

According to the followers of Islam, their “prophet Muhammad” was responsible for the written text which comprises their Koran.

Now . . . False and delusional BIG TIME!!!!!!

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…

Already gave the citations and the web site you may read, and I confirmed the interpretations with my Muslim friends.

“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran”

Foolishness[

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel”

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired”

More foolishness

Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.

Not once.

FALSE

What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

Claims nothing of the sort, foolish and dilusional.

I gave the references confirmed by my Muslim friends. You are just ignoring them.

[Bowman]

Ba-hai.

Ba-garbage.

[shunyadragon]

Ba-hai.

Ba-garbage.

Trollisimo!!!!!!!!

Your true motives and religious bias revealed!!!

[Bowman]

I gave the references confirmed by my Muslim friends. You are just ignoring them.

You wouldn't even know an Arabic word if it was right in front of you, brother.

Even your imaginary Muslim friends can't help.

[shunyadragon]

You wouldn't even know an Arabic word if it was right in front of you, brother.

Even your imaginary Muslim friends can't help.

Your imaginary worldview based on ancient myth controls everything you believe. My friends are not imaginary.

One problem is you made some heavy claims as to what Muslims believe concerning Muhammad and the Koran, and you failed to provide any sources whatsoever to back it up. Your sources must be imaginary if you cannot back them up.

Your anal attentive preoccupation with literacy makes you illiterate.

[Bowman]

Your imaginary worldview based on ancient myth controls everything you believe.

The Bai-hai faith does not have any scriptures of its own.

It can only comment on others' scriptures.

My friends are not imaginary.

Yes, they are.

One problem is you made some heavy claims as to what Muslims believe concerning Muhammad and the Koran, and you failed to provide any sources whatsoever to back it up. Your sources must be imaginary if you cannot back them up.

What Muslims believe and what their book of faith states, are two entirely different things.

Your anal attentive preoccupation with literacy makes you illiterate.

About what we would expect from a follower of ba-hai...

[shunyadragon]

The Bai-hai faith does not have any scriptures of its own.

Your willful ignorance is not bliss

Yes, they are.

Prove it. I will cite them directly shortly

What Muslims believe and what their book of faith states, are two entirely different things.

You, my friend, made claims about what Muslims believe concerning Muhammad and the Koran which you cannot back up.

About what we would expect from a follower of ba-hai...

Trolling gets you nowhere. It only reveals your inability to backup your assertions..

[Bowman]

You, my friend, made claims about what Muslims believe concerning Muhammad and the Koran which you cannot back up.

Bring your imaginary friends to help you out.

[shunyadragon]

Bring your imaginary friends to help you out.

Bring your friends, you still have made claims you cannot back up. You made loose quotes from the Bible to support your argument but never responded to my points nor backed up your claims. Everything you claimed is a problem with the Koran is more so with the Bible.

I will start a new thread on this topic with sources, including personal friends who understand the Koran in Arabic. Basically you only come back with snide trollish remarks and never support your assertions with scholarly Islamic sources.

[Bowman]

I will start a new thread on this topic with sources, including personal friends who understand the Koran in Arabic.

You have nothing.

[shunyadragon]

You have nothing.

You have less. .
Short snide remarks is the extent of you attention span. In other words you are a twit with a limit of 40 charactors.

[Bowman]

You have less. .
Short snide remarks is the extent of you attention span. In other words you are a twit with a limit of 40 charactors.

When can we expect that new thread from you...?

[shunyadragon]

When can we expect that new thread from you...?

It will be in Islam. I have to do my homework first.