What about the paraklete?

[shunyadragon]

False.

There is not a single ayah in the Koran which states that the Koran was divinely inspired.

Not one.

The Koran is considered revealed by the Angel Gabriel to Muhammad.

Likewise, there is no reference in the Bible that it was divinely inspired as a book we have today anywhere in the Bible. It is simply rough compilation of books over time. Nonetheless, Muhammad did not speak for himself, and the Koran is considered from and of God revealed by the Angel Gabriel.

The term 'Muhammad' was not even a proper name at the time that the Koran was written.

No it is not. Jesus Christ is not a proper name at the time any of the OT or NT was compiled.

[Bowman]

The Koran is considered revealed by the Angel Gabriel to Muhammad.

False.

Show me one verse in any of its 114 chapters which states this.

Likewise, there is no reference in the Bible that it was divinely inspired as a book we have today anywhere in the Bible. It is simply rough compilation of books over time.

False.

Apparently you have not bothered to read it, as nearly all of the books in the Holy Bible claim to be divinely inspired.

The Koran has 114 chapters and yet not once is it mentioned that any chapter is divinely inspired.

Nonetheless, Muhammad did not speak for himself, and the Koran is considered from and of God revealed by the Angel Gabriel.

False.

Not according to the Koran.

You are merely parroting merit-less islamic myth.

[shunyadragon]

False.

Show me one verse in any of its 114 chapters which states this.

Read the Koran . . .

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

In reference to Gabriel, the Arabic Quran calls him; "Ruhhil-Qudus" (Holy Spirit),
"Ruuhanaa" (Our Spirit), "Ruuhul-'Amiin" (The Honest Spirit) and "Al-Ruh' " (The Spirit) . Thus, when reading the verses in the Quran, the whole Quran, we see that Gabriel is the Holy and Honest Bearer of Revelations. We learn from 2:97 that these references are indeed talking about Gabriel. [2:97] Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought
down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with GOD's will, confirming
previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."

© source where applicable

False.

Apparently you have not bothered to read it, as nearly all of the books in the Holy Bible claim to be divinely inspired.

I have read the Bible. this is FALSE

[shunyadragon]

Because of the restrictions of the number of paragraphs. I will cite other parts of the Koran that describe the source of the Koran as from God through Gabriel

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

To understand the connection between the Angel Gabriel and calling him the Spirit, the Holy Spirit and the Honest Spirit in the Quran we should also read all related verses, 16:102 & 26:192-193.
[16:102] Say, "The Holy Spirit has brought it (Quran) down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."

© source where applicable

[shunyadragon]

. . . and the following

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

[26:192] This (Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the universe.
[26:193] The Honest Spirit (Gabriel) came down with it.

© source where applicable

The web site referenced gives other references in the Koran if you wish to check it out.


I am not arguing for the truth or falsehood of the Koran, but what the Koran says and Muslims believe.

[Bowman]

Read the Koran . . .

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

In reference to Gabriel, the Arabic Quran calls him; "Ruhhil-Qudus" (Holy Spirit),
"Ruuhanaa" (Our Spirit), "Ruuhul-'Amiin" (The Honest Spirit) and "Al-Ruh' " (The Spirit) . Thus, when reading the verses in the Quran, the whole Quran, we see that Gabriel is the Holy and Honest Bearer of Revelations. We learn from 2:97 that these references are indeed talking about Gabriel. [2:97] Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought
down this (Quran) into your heart, in accordance with GOD's will, confirming
previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."

© source where applicable

First of all, the Holy Spirit is NOT the angel Gabriel.

Not in the Holy Bible.

Not in the Koran.

Secondly, the term 'Quran' does not even appear in the Arabic of this verse.


Try again...

I have read the Bible. this is FALSE

Not only have you not bothered to read the Koran....but you have not bothered to even read the Holy Bible, either.

This is typical of Ba-hai'ers...

[Bowman]

Because of the restrictions of the number of paragraphs. I will cite other parts of the Koran that describe the source of the Koran as from God through Gabriel

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

To understand the connection between the Angel Gabriel and calling him the Spirit, the Holy Spirit and the Honest Spirit in the Quran we should also read all related verses, 16:102 & 26:192-193.
[16:102] Say, "The Holy Spirit has brought it (Quran) down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."

© source where applicable

The Holy Spirit (roohu alqudusi) is mentioned four times within the pages of the Koran.

In each occurrence, it is always used in the context of Jesus Christ (i.e. 2.87, 2.253, 16.102, & 5.110).

[Bowman]

. . . and the following

http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html

[26:192] This (Quran) is a revelation from the Lord of the universe.
[26:193] The Honest Spirit (Gabriel) came down with it.

© source where applicable

The web site referenced gives other references in the Koran if you wish to check it out.


I am not arguing for the truth or falsehood of the Koran, but what the Koran says and Muslims believe.

Look at how you have to artificially insert the words you want to see in parenthesis....because they simply are not in the Arabic!

LOL....!!!

[shunyadragon]

Look at how you have to artificially insert the words you want to see in parenthesis....because they simply are not in the Arabic!

LOL....!!!

Lots of luck yourself the references are in the Koran that Muhammad recieved the revelation from God. The Koran is the result. Your ENRON book keeping does you no good.

YOUR BUSTED!!!!!!

The reference to the Quran in parentheis is the reference to the revelation given to Muhammad. Of course the name of the scripture did not exist at the time of the revelation, just as the names of the books of the Bible and the name Bible did not exist at the time the claimed revelation was given.

[shunyadragon]

The Holy Spirit (roohu alqudusi) is mentioned four times within the pages of the Koran.

In each occurrence, it is always used in the context of Jesus Christ (i.e. 2.87, 2.253, 16.102, & 5.110).

IT IS HERE, your line of hogwash is busted!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bowman]

Lots of luck yourself the references are in the Koran that Muhammad recieved the revelation from God. The Koran is the result. Your ENRON book keeping does you no good.

YOUR BUSTED!!!!!!

The reference to the Quran in parentheis is the reference to the revelation given to Muhammad. Of course the name of the scripture did not exist at the time of the revelation, just as the names of the books of the Bible and the name Bible did not exist at the time the claimed revelation was given.

This is what happens when you slavishly copy-paste material that you google from the web.

When pressed, you cannot defend a language you know absolutely nothing about....

[shunyadragon]

This is what happens when you slavishly copy-paste material that you google from the web.

When pressed, you cannot defend a language you know absolutely nothing about....

I talk frequently with friends at the university who are Muslim and know are Arabic. they refer me to the sources and answer my questions. YOU MY Friend HAVE an arrogant bias ancient religious agenda, which makes any knowledge you may have useless.

My point was taking the Quran, and other writings in the first 500 years of Islam Muhammad was not speaking for himself, but of and for God. The Quran is considered the embodiment of the revelation received by Muhammad from God through the Angel Gabriel. I stand by that. Your attempt at a bias annal attentive literacy contributes nothing.

[Bowman]

I talk frequently with friends at the university who are Muslim and know are Arabic. they refer me to the sources and answer my questions. YOU MY Friend HAVE an arrogant bias ancient religious agenda, which makes any knowledge you may have useless.

Since you don't know any Arabic at all - and you can only google your replies...please invite your Muslim friends to help you out.

My point was taking the Quran, and other writings in the first 500 years of Islam Muhammad was not speaking for himself, but of and for God.

Not according to the Koran.

The Quran is considered the embodiment of the revelation received by Muhammad from God through the Angel Gabriel.

Again...Not according to the Koran, as you have witnessed for yourself.

You are merely parroting googled islamic myth.

I stand by that. Your attempt at a bias annal attentive literacy contributes nothing.

What Arabic words are troubling you, brother...?

[shunyadragon]

Since you don't know any Arabic at all - and you can only google your replies...please invite your Muslim friends to help you out.

YES, according to the Koran.

Not according to the Koran.

Yes, according to the Koran.

Again...Not according to the Koran, as you have witnessed for yourself.

YES, according to the Koran, as I have witnessed myself, and according to my Muslim friends.

You are merely parroting googled islamic myth.

No, you are parroting a biased religious agenda.

What Arabic words are troubling you, brother...?

None, my Muslim friends including on professor explain things very well.

[Bowman]

None, my Muslim friends including on professor explain things very well.

Why don't you invite your prof and your Muslims friends to help you out?