I don't know if it just being reported more but cases of child molesting seem to be on the rise. We just had a couple of high profile cases in my state which included trafficking children for the sex trade. I mean if we can't execute them (which I would not have a problem with) then why not life without parole - after all there doesn't seem to be a cure. Perhaps castration - I mean physical/surgical castration.
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Life in Prison For Child Molesters?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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A few things:
I think certain sex laws in America are ridiculous and out of control. One couple became registered sex offenders because they got caught having sex on the beach on their vacation. While they should be fined and penalized, making them sex offender status for life was too harsh. I think that there should be more defined calibers of punishments, with sex offender list only being applied to rapists, child molesters, etc. With that said...
We just had a couple of high profile cases in my state which included trafficking children for the sex trade.
after all there doesn't seem to be a cure. Perhaps castration - I mean physical/surgical castration."Concentrate on what you have to do. Fix your eyes on it. Remind yourself that your task is to be a good human being; remind yourself what nature demands of people. Then do it, without hesitation, and speak the truth as you see it. But with kindness. With humility. Without hypocrisy."
-Marcus Aurelius
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Originally posted by T-Shirt Ninja View Post
It's still possible for a man to commit rape after a castration. It doesn't completely deplete testosterone out of the body. I don't really see this as a solution.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by T-Shirt Ninja View PostIt's still possible for a man to commit rape after a castration. It doesn't completely deplete testosterone out of the body. I don't really see this as a solution.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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The most effective treatment is chemical castration because they are required to participate in a program of therapy and psychiatry. However some serial molesters get life in prison via 86 years or multiple sentences served consecutively.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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Physical castration without medical necessity would be immoral. More so if it was meant as a punishment. However, Denmark does offer people who have committed pedophilic crimes the offer of chemical castration via various testosterone blockers, which have the intended effect. The offer is on a complete volunteer basis, and a majority of them willingly take it. This significantly reduces any sexual urges, and the success rate it quite high.
I'm not sure what life imprisonment would do, and in the absence of good evidence to suggest that it would lower the crime rate, I'm against it.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
I'm not sure what life imprisonment would do, and in the absence of good evidence to suggest that it would lower the crime rate, I'm against it.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostPhysical castration without medical necessity would be immoral. More so if it was meant as a punishment. However, Denmark does offer people who have committed pedophilic crimes the offer of chemical castration via various testosterone blockers, which have the intended effect. The offer is on a complete volunteer basis, and a majority of them willingly take it. This significantly reduces any sexual urges, and the success rate it quite high.
I'm not sure what life imprisonment would do, and in the absence of good evidence to suggest that it would lower the crime rate, I'm against it."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is just silly. If you put a child molester in prison for life he will never rape a child again.
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is just silly. If you put a child molester in prison for life he will never rape a child again.
I do know personally one molester who is completely reformed however he became a Christian and turned his life around completely and confessed to the church and to his wife and daughter. Its one of the rarer situations.A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
George Bernard Shaw
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostTrue, but your interest is in lowering crime rates. All the studies I have seen show that tough punishments have no significant impact on crime rates. You also assume that most child molesters are repeat offenders, whereas in Denmark the majority of them submit themselves for treatment, and again most of those stick to the treatment and never commit the crime again.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell Leonhard I don't live in Denmark, I live in the real world. ; )
But the point is that a child molester who gets life will never rape a child again. Period. And crime stats don't change that fact.
You asked in the op for what could be done about the rising crime rate. And I simple pointed out that there are multiple large-scale studies that show that making the punishments tougher, doesn't change the rate people do the crimes.
I'm also wondering if the rising rate has more to do with detection ability. We're more aware of this these days.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostTrue, though I don't see that it would change crime statistics all that much. In fact, it might make it even worse by causing more prison violence. If you're going to lock up a person for life, or execute him, because of the crime he has done, I don't think merely protection of society should be the criterion unless the person is highly likely to commit the same crime again. Rather I think if you were to do that to a child molestor it should be because you believe his crime deserves that level of punishment. That position I would have some respect for.
You asked in the op for what could be done about the rising crime rate. And I simple pointed out that there are multiple large-scale studies that show that making the punishments tougher, doesn't change the rate people do the crimes.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell I certainly do believe that child rape is a death penalty offense or life in prison.But the fact is, these guys generally don't change, so it is about protection too.
In Denmark a few years back there was a terrible scandalous case of a father who had rented his own daughter out to other men he knew. This caused a similar debate between our politicians as the one you started in this thread: Forceful castration, tougher laws, etc. However various professors of law argued the case in the media that such laws would end up merely symbolic. They wouldn't change the rate itself, and would only harm those who have undergone such a treatment and who are being reintegrated into society.
For that reason we haven't made the penalties worse, nor have we started forcing castration on the criminals. The former is ineffective, the latter is immoral.
Over all our crime rate in the US has gone down over 30 years. I think much of it has to do with truth in sentencing laws - i.e. longer prison terms, three strike laws.
There's plenty of big studies that demonstrate this lack of correlation, and it's not that hard to look up. While I'm sure you can find smaller studies that tentatively conclude something different, the pattern is that the bigger or later studies with better controls, show little or no correlation.
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