Thread: Happy Immaculate Conception!
June 18th 2011, 02:57 AM #196
Re: Happy Immaculate Conception!
Yes, it does to some degree. When reading from both testaments we gain understanding to the prayers Jesus had expressed in John 17 and also in Matthew 6. The words within those prayers express that there is and will continue to be a real compassion for what he asked of God.
As we continue paging along with scripture from both sides - we realize how many of these prayers are incorporate in many our daily services at church. How the priests, in the same way, ask God for unity of the community, offer the sins that we have committed against those who we have hurt, and ask for strength in faith. The priest will join the entire community together in pray for those who are not with us any longer, to help those who our in need of prayers because of an illness, are sick and dying. We as a community (as a whole) offer prayers everyday to God. We must remember that our prayers help.
Again, reading from the old to the new we begin to relate the prayers into our own thoughts. Our thoughts being expressed through them - Abraham (for the morning prayers - Shacharit, the morning prayer, Isaac — Minchah, the afternoon prayer, Jacob — Ma'ariv, the evening prayer) This giving height to the hours - Canonical hours or Nones, the divisions of time which serve as increments between the prescribed prayers of the daily round. A Book of Hours contains such a set of prayers.
In the Orthodox Church, and among Eastern Catholics, the canonical hours may be referred to as the "Divine Services", and the Book of Hours is called the Horologion (Greek: ῾Ωρολόγιον). There may be numerous small differences in practice according to jurisdiction; but the overall order is the same among eastern Christians who follow the Byzantine style of services (the usage among the Oriental Orthodox Churches will differ from the Byzantine in a number of ways).
The practice of daily prayers grew from the Jewish practice of reciting prayers at set times of the day: for example, in the Book of Acts, Peter and John visit the Temple for the afternoon prayers (Acts 3:1). Psalm 119:164 states: "Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous laws." LINK
"only say the word, and my servant will be healed" - again certain phrases are used in the service among the community. These scriptural points only gives rise to our own thoughts -
Last edited by mitzi; June 18th 2011 at 03:19 AM.
June 28th 2011, 12:02 PM #197
Re: Happy Immaculate Conception!
In the Understanding which I have come to believe? God has set things as it has pleased God.. Faith is Gift of a God we truly can't imagine in so many ways.. And too I think God has intrusted that faith by measure.. The seven Prayers reflect the seven Spirits of God as The Spirit of God dwells among men, All men..
Truly the Roman centurian faith is one held in High asteem in the RCC.. It is a faith given by God..Those called to embrace such a faith struggle as much in our own trails and tribulation when we embrace such a Faith.. In the story The Centurian Is a man who is dedicated to the service of Rome.. He is in fact the spear head of Roman diplomacy towards those of other faiths... In scripture a jewish community... But He also has the Authority of Rome when he is faithful to Romes desire.. You see he answers to those who God has appointed over him and he commands those intrusted to his care to do Romes will.. IN the Story the centurian uses his faith to test the Person called Jesus.. What are his intensions? As those of a synagogue who sought Jesus to heal his servent were Prosletizing the Centurian.. The centurian was testing the will of this Jesus.. The centurian demonstrates his understanding of Authority and he challenges Christ with his faith.. Rome delt with many Religious Communities, It often built temples and roads at the cost of heavy tribute, but too it protected the communities under its Jurisdiction..
The Centurian tested the true Power of Jesus.. Not in his ability to heal his servant but in how he will do it.. Romans were aware of the madisinal practices and the magical herbs and potions that many used in the various communities.. Playing God or claiming magical healing slipping some kind unknown extract... There are two stories in the synoptics Gospels of this account and one demonstrates the actaul situation.. They are told in two distinct persons, one as 1st person one as 3rd person... His desire is that of the healing his servant but the ultimate test is how it will be done and for what reasons.. He wasn't worthy because the centurians purpose was two fold... The centurians faith was a variant of Mithraism.. The centurians desire was the Peace and the harmony of the community he was intrusted for diplomacy and Christ demonstrated in the end his desire that the servant of Rome be healed.. It in the Prophetic vision of Scripture..
Thy will be done? It was the test and the diplomacy of Gods will towards Romes servant... The Centurians faith in actuallity was the same as Christ's in a way.. Christ came to do the will of his Father in Gods diplomacy towards man.. But Christ also was with the Authority of his Father by being faithful to his Fathers will.. CHrist wasn't without Power in the service of God... Christ showed the centurian that he has and Commands servants under him. Christ command his servents to heal the centurains servant because it is the will of God.. Imagine the shock and the bewilderment that this Jesus healed his servant without coming to his house.. Who can do such a thing with that which isn't seen.. Christ wasn't as much a threat to Rome in the way the Centurian tested him.. No greater Faith was found in all Israel and these things were done infront of the apostles and the Jews that sought CHrist for there own purpose..
In RCC this faith is a test of those who are willing to serve and those who with such a faith can test the truth of the claims of others.. We test the things of ths world with our faith.. Somes faith are more than others and there are ways we test our faith with that of others...
Imagine if the centurian would have went back and his servant had died the same hour as he was healed? This Jewish Messiah might have been everything the Jew hoping he would be and Romes worst nightmare.. But as the scripture records and history Records that wasn't Gods desire of Rome and all Christians to this day.. Each demonstrating their faith that is a gift from God...
Peace and Godbless Mitzi..He that is convinced against his will is of the same Opinion still.
June 30th 2011, 02:13 AM #198
Re: Happy Immaculate Conception!
One thing that I have come to know, don’t put God in cement. We know God from what we understand from others (those who have brought God into our lives and those that are closest to us), how we search through scripture to bring us to a better understanding- we read and surmise/ interpret scripture through our teachers/educators/ministers/priest, how we study and learn the bible is through the light of wisdom (a virtue- a gift also from God) or perhaps what we personally know from experience (as God gives us those trials). We learn.
When reading the Old Testament (Tanakh – Hebrew bible) our journey began (1st) with understanding the verses and then about the relationships that God had with each of the Major Prophets – and through those relationships He communicates to us. Establishing our relationship with God – is continuous with faith, trust, hope –belief, as these are virtues. These virtues carry longevity, it is something eternal – never ending. With our very limited experience and knowledge of God, the thought of being able to imagine how Christ knew Him. Where in scripture did you notice differences between the ones’ who said they knew God and the one who actually did? – I know how comfortable I can be when discussing with others about a person I grew up with, went to school with, or personally knew. We talk about the things we know:
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man. 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
“How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.” There being that oneness with the Father that all of us realize and believe in but it’s the ability to understand the dynamic which is perplexing ("something to be grasped"). Also, as we read in Genesis, the terms “form of” in the verse “as being like” (Adam & Eve, in garden), or in the image of. Giving the example of: proceeded forth or came forth. I say that God brought Christ to us and Christ brought a “visible” God to all through his words, judgment, compassion, wisdom, healing, and foresight.
I still say the centurion showed his ability to understand Christ's authority: (For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”) *edit*
Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
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