Obama To Occupy Wall Street!

[Darth Executor]

And it makes no sense to stuff him into the totally-a-dirty-liberal box if he is fiscally conservative to the point of undercutting city pensions and economically conservative enough that he actively opposes unions; however, I'm not just trying to be pedantic, and I do get what you're trying to say. This is T-web; therefore, social conservative causes tend to be weighted more than other forms of conservativism.

fwiw,
guacamole

It makes perfect sense to do those things if there's no money for them, even if you're a liberal. It's just easier for people like you to scream bloody murder about it because you don't have to actually run anything.

[Mountain Man]

Or true conservatives. Try not to poke your own eye out with that stick.

Again, there are people who are still conservative who are nevertheless not as conservative as you.

What are you talking about?

I was just curious why Dimbulb equates wealth with conservatism when there are a lot of rich liberals out there. You're the one who made the absurd claim that rich, pro-business liberals aren't "real" liberals.

[Sparko]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

We need to start a riot on wall street to stop Obama from speaking! Yeah, that's the ticket! burn it to the ground!!!

[rogue06]

For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

We need to start a riot on wall street to stop Obama from speaking! Yeah, that's the ticket! burn it to the ground!!!

[guacamole]

It makes perfect sense to do those things if there's no money for them, even if you're a liberal.

That's the point; there is money for them. It's just that you cannot serve two masters. In this case Rahm Emmanuel can't serve both the unions and the corporate overlords demanding more corporate welfare.

fwiw,
guaccamole

[guacamole]

What are you talking about?

I was just curious why Dimbulb equates wealth with conservatism when there are a lot of rich liberals out there. You're the one who made the absurd claim that rich, pro-business liberals aren't "real" liberals.

The absurd claim that conservatives--who support pro-business policies to the exclusion of other stakeholders, who support more limited taxation and supply-side economics, who support eliminating pensions from public unions or breaking the unions altogether--are somehow liberals because they aren't as conservative as you on every issue? That was the point. If you want to poke people in the eye with the imputation of a "no-true-Scotsman" fallacy, then make sure you aren't the one doing it.

Face facts. This is a well worn rhetorical trope amongst tweb conservatives, that people who are conservative-like Mitt Romney, John McCain, etc.-aren't actually conservative because they don't hit all the points you guys want them to hit. Absurd. Conservative and liberal are a spectrum.

fwiw,
guacamole

[Mountain Man]

The absurd claim that conservatives--who support pro-business policies to the exclusion of other stakeholders, who support more limited taxation and supply-side economics, who support eliminating pensions from public unions or breaking the unions altogether--are somehow liberals because they aren't as conservative as you on every issue?

Looks like you've gone from the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to building straw men.

[guacamole]

Looks like you've gone from the "no true Scotsman" fallacy to building straw men.

Do you mean to assert that conservatives, both on tweb and elsewhere, have played no-true-scotsman with who is and isn't a real conservative?

fwiw,
guacamole

[Mountain Man]

Do you mean to assert that conservatives, both on tweb and elsewhere, have played no-true-scotsman with who is and isn't a real conservative?

[Darth Executor]

And this speech to Wall St is coming hot on the heels of him spending his time since his presidency on holidays with billionaires.

And some people actually tried to pretend Obama was "progressive", rather than the center-right President he so obviously was.

This silly game you play where you pretend billionaires and leftism are mutually exclusive when most billionaires ARE leftist is getting old.

[Mountain Man]

This silly game you play where you pretend billionaires and leftism are mutually exclusive when most billionaires ARE leftist is getting old.

According to guacamole, those aren't Real Liberals^TM.

[guacamole]

According to guacamole, those aren't Real Liberals^TM.

Again? Get a hobby.

[Mountain Man]

A lot of liberals are pro-business, too.

And in that, they are probably not "liberal;" hence, the popular tendency towards hyphenation: fiscally (or even economically)-conservative but socially-liberal.

[Starlight]

This silly game you play where you pretend billionaires and leftism are mutually exclusive when most billionaires ARE leftist is getting old.

Most billionaires are libertarian. Libertarians are right-wing on economics.

[Meh Gerbil]

Most billionaires are libertarian. Libertarians are right-wing on economics.

New York City Billionaires: (80% Democrat)
Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrean.../#1b04c8c55315

General Billionaire Giving:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...-on-top-114151
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katiasa.../#5bb901193e83

It appears the billionaires are pretty evenly split between Democrats and Republicans.
I don't see the Libertarian party as anything more than a blip on the radar.