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  • A lot of Republican supporters just cheer-lead for their side

    One of the big problems in the US politics at the moment is the way that a lot of Republican voters are partisan to an extent that Democratic voters are not. This was captured well recently by a couple of different polls.

    4 years ago after chemical weapons were used in Syria, 38% of Democratic voters thought a military intervention was a good idea. Now that the situation has repeated itself, 37% of Democratic voters supported Trump's missile strikes there. Those two numbers are identical to within the polls margins of error and suggests that most of those voters hold a particular view on the topic of military interventionism. Their opinion on the issue of military interventionism in Syria follow chemical attacks is apparently based on the issue itself and not on who the president happens to be when it occurs - they weren't for it when Obama was president and are suddenly against it now that Trump is president.

    When Democratic voters were polled in Oct 2016 on whether the economy had gotten better or worse over the last year they were reasonably split between "stayed the same" (38%) and "gotten better" (41%) with relatively few saying "gotten worse" (18%). Polled again, in March 2017, on the question on the economy over the last year, when nothing in the economic situation has substantially changed since October (no economic crash, not great job losses or gains, no new laws passed that would impact the economy, no significant changes to international markets), the Democratic voters gave very similar but mildly more pessimistic answers with "stayed the same" (42%) now winning over "gotten better" (33%) and "gotten worse" (24%) still bringing up the rear. The difference between those results is probably within the margin of error of those polls. So the Democratic voters have certain views on the current economy, and those views haven't been much affected, or only very marginally (~6 points or so), by who is currently the president (Obama in Oct 2016 versus Trump in March 2017).

    So what about Republican voters? Do they have solid views on the issues of whether the US should intervene militarily in the Middle East, or do they just boo whenever a Democrat is president and cheer whenever a Republican is president? Do they have consistent opinions about the current state of the economy, or does having a Republican president in the White House flip a switch in their brain and make them think the economy over the last year has been terrific?

    Well... those same polls found that only 22% of Republicans supported Obama using military force in Syria after chemical weapons usage there, but a whopping 86% of Republicans support Trump's intervention there. It seems President R can do no wrong, while President D can't do anything right. And what about the economy? When asked the same question about how the economy had been over the last year in Oct 2016 vs Mar 2017, Republicans thought it had "gotten worse" (42%) or "stayed the same" (44%) when a Democrat was in the White House, with very few thinking it had "gotten better" (14%), but put a Republican president in the White House and their view magically changed... in March 2017 they overwhelmingly now thought that over the last year the economy had "gotten better" (59%) or "stayed the same" (33%), and the number who thought it had "gotten worse" (5%) had reduced to almost zero. Apparently without actually doing anything legislatively, Trump had improved the economy significantly over the previous year in the minds of Republican voters - about 42% of Republican voters flipped their view of the economy over the previous year from "gotten worse" to "gotten better" just because of a change of president.

    This "asymmetric polarization", as it is known, causes a big problem in US politics. Democratic-leaning people have views on the issues, and tend to maintain those views consistently regardless of who is in office, and don't simply cheer for their side. Whereas Republican voters seem to mostly cheer for their team and boo the opposition team as if politics were a sports game. Their very opinion of what things have been like over the previous year is itself malleable to suit their desire to cheer-lead, and their previous expressed opposition to further military interventionism in the middle east (no doubt at least partially motivated by Trump himself on the campaign trail telling them intervening in Syria was a bad idea) evaporated the moment they saw their Glorious Leader launching the missiles.

    Democratic voters actually care about politics and political issues. Republican voters just know they hate Democrats and support whatever their Team Republican is currently doing whatever that might be. And that level of idiocy coming from so much of the US voting population is a huge problem, and frankly I think it explains why US politics is the disaster that it is today.
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    Because this is solely a Republican problem.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Because this is solely a Republican problem.
      Pretty much yes, and that is the problem, because it unbalances politics.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
        Pretty much yes, and that is the problem, because it unbalances politics.
        Because Democrats never blindly follow their politicians.

        Are you really that naive?

        Wait, let me rephrase: You really are that naive.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          One of the big problems in the US politics at the moment is the way that a lot of Republican voters are partisan to an extent that Democratic voters are not. This was captured well recently by a couple of different polls.

          4 years ago after chemical weapons were used in Syria, 38% of Democratic voters thought a military intervention was a good idea. Now that the situation has repeated itself, 37% of Democratic voters supported Trump's missile strikes there. Those two numbers are identical to within the polls margins of error and suggests that most of those voters hold a particular view on the topic of military interventionism. Their opinion on the issue of military interventionism in Syria follow chemical attacks is apparently based on the issue itself and not on who the president happens to be when it occurs - they weren't for it when Obama was president and are suddenly against it now that Trump is president.

          When Democratic voters were polled in Oct 2016 on whether the economy had gotten better or worse over the last year they were reasonably split between "stayed the same" (38%) and "gotten better" (41%) with relatively few saying "gotten worse" (18%). Polled again, in March 2017, on the question on the economy over the last year, when nothing in the economic situation has substantially changed since October (no economic crash, not great job losses or gains, no new laws passed that would impact the economy, no significant changes to international markets), the Democratic voters gave very similar but mildly more pessimistic answers with "stayed the same" (42%) now winning over "gotten better" (33%) and "gotten worse" (24%) still bringing up the rear. The difference between those results is probably within the margin of error of those polls. So the Democratic voters have certain views on the current economy, and those views haven't been much affected, or only very marginally (~6 points or so), by who is currently the president (Obama in Oct 2016 versus Trump in March 2017).

          So what about Republican voters? Do they have solid views on the issues of whether the US should intervene militarily in the Middle East, or do they just boo whenever a Democrat is president and cheer whenever a Republican is president? Do they have consistent opinions about the current state of the economy, or does having a Republican president in the White House flip a switch in their brain and make them think the economy over the last year has been terrific?

          Well... those same polls found that only 22% of Republicans supported Obama using military force in Syria after chemical weapons usage there, but a whopping 86% of Republicans support Trump's intervention there. It seems President R can do no wrong, while President D can't do anything right. And what about the economy? When asked the same question about how the economy had been over the last year in Oct 2016 vs Mar 2017, Republicans thought it had "gotten worse" (42%) or "stayed the same" (44%) when a Democrat was in the White House, with very few thinking it had "gotten better" (14%), but put a Republican president in the White House and their view magically changed... in March 2017 they overwhelmingly now thought that over the last year the economy had "gotten better" (59%) or "stayed the same" (33%), and the number who thought it had "gotten worse" (5%) had reduced to almost zero. Apparently without actually doing anything legislatively, Trump had improved the economy significantly over the previous year in the minds of Republican voters - about 42% of Republican voters flipped their view of the economy over the previous year from "gotten worse" to "gotten better" just because of a change of president.

          This "asymmetric polarization", as it is known, causes a big problem in US politics. Democratic-leaning people have views on the issues, and tend to maintain those views consistently regardless of who is in office, and don't simply cheer for their side. Whereas Republican voters seem to mostly cheer for their team and boo the opposition team as if politics were a sports game. Their very opinion of what things have been like over the previous year is itself malleable to suit their desire to cheer-lead, and their previous expressed opposition to further military interventionism in the middle east (no doubt at least partially motivated by Trump himself on the campaign trail telling them intervening in Syria was a bad idea) evaporated the moment they saw their Glorious Leader launching the missiles.

          Democratic voters actually care about politics and political issues. Republican voters just know they hate Democrats and support whatever their Team Republican is currently doing whatever that might be. And that level of idiocy coming from so much of the US voting population is a huge problem, and frankly I think it explains why US politics is the disaster that it is today.
          That you fail to understand nuanced responses to different situations, or the difference between an urban and rural voter's notice of fluctuations in the economy is par for the course where your responses are concerned. That you continue to regurgitate leftist propaganda pieces is also telling.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            Democratic voters actually care about politics and political issues. Republican voters just know they hate Democrats and support whatever their Team Republican is currently doing whatever that might be. And that level of idiocy coming from so much of the US voting population is a huge problem, and frankly I think it explains why US politics is the disaster that it is today.
            When Trump bombed Syria there were several conservative leaning members of this forum who condemned the military action.
            When O'Reilly finally was canned for his sexual aggression he received no support (or next to none) from conservative members of this forum.

            However, Hillary Clinton received a majority of the popular vote in 2016 despite the fact she's a felon who has lied to the FBI, targeted rape victims, and has been involved in numerous scandals over the past four decades. You have stated you believe she should be in jail (to your credit) and yet she amassed a huge dedicated following willing to look past her criminal behavior. The DNC even helped torpedo Bernie Sanders to give her another shot at the White House.

            The truth is that both sides want power and both sides have a massive amount of people willing to kill to get it.
            Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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            • #7
              this is ironic coming on tweb where we have liberal shills like Tassman and JimL who consistently cheerlead for Hillary and Obama and condemn Bush and Trump no matter what. Most conservatives here on tweb will admit that Trump is not the best president and he has done some things wrong and the same with Bush and other conservatives like O'Reilly and so on.

              In fact, during Obama's reign, he could do no wrong to the liberals. He was the freaking Obamessiah.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                When Democratic voters were polled in Oct 2016 on whether the economy had gotten better or worse over the last year they were reasonably split between "stayed the same" (38%) and "gotten better" (41%) with relatively few saying "gotten worse" (18%). Polled again, in March 2017, on the question on the economy over the last year, when nothing in the economic situation has substantially changed since October (no economic crash, not great job losses or gains, no new laws passed that would impact the economy, no significant changes to international markets), the Democratic voters gave very similar but mildly more pessimistic answers with "stayed the same" (42%) now winning over "gotten better" (33%) and "gotten worse" (24%) still bringing up the rear. The difference between those results is probably within the margin of error of those polls. So the Democratic voters have certain views on the current economy, and those views haven't been much affected, or only very marginally (~6 points or so), by who is currently the president (Obama in Oct 2016 versus Trump in March 2017).

                So what about Republican voters? Do they have solid views on the issues of whether the US should intervene militarily in the Middle East, or do they just boo whenever a Democrat is president and cheer whenever a Republican is president? Do they have consistent opinions about the current state of the economy, or does having a Republican president in the White House flip a switch in their brain and make them think the economy over the last year has been terrific?

                Well... those same polls found that only 22% of Republicans supported Obama using military force in Syria after chemical weapons usage there, but a whopping 86% of Republicans support Trump's intervention there. It seems President R can do no wrong, while President D can't do anything right. And what about the economy? When asked the same question about how the economy had been over the last year in Oct 2016 vs Mar 2017, Republicans thought it had "gotten worse" (42%) or "stayed the same" (44%) when a Democrat was in the White House, with very few thinking it had "gotten better" (14%), but put a Republican president in the White House and their view magically changed... in March 2017 they overwhelmingly now thought that over the last year the economy had "gotten better" (59%) or "stayed the same" (33%), and the number who thought it had "gotten worse" (5%) had reduced to almost zero. Apparently without actually doing anything legislatively, Trump had improved the economy significantly over the previous year in the minds of Republican voters - about 42% of Republican voters flipped their view of the economy over the previous year from "gotten worse" to "gotten better" just because of a change of president.
                Except the economy has been booming, mostly as a result of Trump being elected and stock prices skyrocketing. It's funny that you're spinning the fact that dems mostly refuse to acknowledge the improvement as a problem with REPUBLICANS.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                  That you fail to understand nuanced responses to different situations, or the difference between an urban and rural voter's notice of fluctuations in the economy is par for the course where your responses are concerned. That you continue to regurgitate leftist propaganda pieces is also telling.
                  Exactly. He and the articles he's referencing are making the unfounded assumption that all other things are equal and that the only difference is who happens to be sitting in the White House.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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