Possible evidence of humans in North America 15,000 years ago.

[shunyadragon]

Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/mammoth-discovery-could-revise-earliest-date-of-humans-in-the-americas/

Mammoth Discovery Could Revise Earliest Date of Humans in the Americas

Mammoth Discovery Could Revise Earliest Date of Humans in the Americas
The bones of a massive mammoth raised last year from a Michigan farmer’s field may harbor evidence of the earliest traces of humans in the Americas.

Over the decades, the bones of around 30 mammoths and 300 mastodons have been pulled from the state’s farm fields and construction sites. These iconic giants browsed on vast open grasslands and in wooded valleys south of the ice sheets that buried much of Canada and the northern U.S. at the height of the last Ice Age, some 25,000 years ago.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/na...-the-americas/

[rogue06]

Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/mammoth-discovery-could-revise-earliest-date-of-humans-in-the-americas/

Mammoth Discovery Could Revise Earliest Date of Humans in the Americas

Mammoth Discovery Could Revise Earliest Date of Humans in the Americas
The bones of a massive mammoth raised last year from a Michigan farmer’s field may harbor evidence of the earliest traces of humans in the Americas.

Over the decades, the bones of around 30 mammoths and 300 mastodons have been pulled from the state’s farm fields and construction sites. These iconic giants browsed on vast open grasslands and in wooded valleys south of the ice sheets that buried much of Canada and the northern U.S. at the height of the last Ice Age, some 25,000 years ago.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/na...-the-americas/

discovery but I'm not sure anyone still thinks that the Clovis people were the first humans in the America's any longer.

[TheLurch]

Hold on to your hats - there's some big and completely unexpected news coming later today on precisely this topic.

[seer]

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Mammoth Discovery Could Revise Earliest Date of Humans in the Americas

But wait Shuny, doesn't you religion teach that all mankind are the offspring of Adam who lived 6,000 years ago? So these "humans" can't be our biological relatives...


http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post434013

[shunyadragon]

But wait Shuny, doesn't you religion teach that all mankind are the offspring of Adam who lived 6,000 years ago? So these "humans" can't be our biological relatives...


http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post434013

Seer, from now on you are requested not to post in this thread or any thread I start. I will ask the moderator to remove any further posts of yours from this thread.

[shunyadragon]

Actually I may have misquoted the reference, because this Mastodon has been dated to 130,000 years ago:

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170426143033.htm

Since its initial discovery in late 1992, this site has been the subject of research by top scientists to date the fossils accurately and evaluate microscopic damage on bones and rocks that authors now consider indicative of human activity. In 2014, Dr. James Paces, a research geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, used state-of-the-art radiometric dating methods to determine that the mastodon bones -- which were still fresh when they were broken by strategically-placed blows from hammerstones -- were 130,000 years old, with a conservative error of plus or minus 9,400 years. "The distributions of natural uranium and its decay products both within and among these bone specimens show remarkably reliable behavior, allowing us to derive an age that is well within the wheelhouse of the dating system," explained Paces, a co-author of the paper.

The finding poses a lot more questions than answers: Who were these people? Are they part of an early -- but failed -- colonization attempt? Or is there a long, but as of yet, scarcely recognized presence of humans in this hemisphere?

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[rogue06]

Actually I may have misquoted the reference, because this Mastodon has been dated to 130,000 years ago:

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/04/170426143033.htm

Since its initial discovery in late 1992, this site has been the subject of research by top scientists to date the fossils accurately and evaluate microscopic damage on bones and rocks that authors now consider indicative of human activity. In 2014, Dr. James Paces, a research geologist with the U.S. Geological Survey, used state-of-the-art radiometric dating methods to determine that the mastodon bones -- which were still fresh when they were broken by strategically-placed blows from hammerstones -- were 130,000 years old, with a conservative error of plus or minus 9,400 years. "The distributions of natural uranium and its decay products both within and among these bone specimens show remarkably reliable behavior, allowing us to derive an age that is well within the wheelhouse of the dating system," explained Paces, a co-author of the paper.

The finding poses a lot more questions than answers: Who were these people? Are they part of an early -- but failed -- colonization attempt? Or is there a long, but as of yet, scarcely recognized presence of humans in this hemisphere?

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That's much more intriguing. Here is the letter published in Nature: 130,000-year-old archaeological site in southern California, USA

[TheLurch]

They're two different stories. Your first was in Michigan, and is consistent with the known dates of the arrival of modern humans. The much older find is from California (assuming the dating is right).

A good collection of quotes from people in the field, which range from doubt to amazement, can be found here:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ay-scientists/

[seer]

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[shunyadragon]

They're two different stories. Your first was in Michigan, and is consistent with the known dates of the arrival of modern humans. The much older find is from California (assuming the dating is right).

A good collection of quotes from people in the field, which range from doubt to amazement, can be found here:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017...ay-scientists/

Thank you for the clarification.