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  • #31
    The Capitol Insurrection And Religion

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    • #32
      Originally posted by John Reece View Post
      The great city in Rev 11:8 is obviously Jerusalem, because it is the city wherein "their Lord was crucified".

      The great city in Rev 17:18 is evidently Jerusalem, because the woman is not the beast and is therefore not Rome but rather apostate Jerusalem.
      That doesn't have to be the same great city, but I do think you are close into describing who the woman is for the second one. The first city is very clear to Be jerusalem and there is n doubts about that based on it's description, but the second city much more vague. Sitting over many waters isn't really describe Jerusalem that well. There is a reason why the second woman is called Babylon the great, since the old name for the city is Babel. I am sure we all know the story of what God did to the city, but what is interesting is why God did what he did. The tower they built a tower to study the heavens, and is thus the start of false worship as we see in Romans 1.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Obsidian
        I've read Chilton's explanation before. I do not find it satisfactory. The Jews absolutely did not have any reign over the nations, spiritual or otherwise. God only gave the Jews power when they were obedient, not when they were wicked. And he took their kingdom away in the Old Testament because they were wicked. Saying that Jerusalem reigned over the kings of the earth seems incredibly weak.

        It is possible that Revelation 11:8 is referring to Jerusalem, and that there are two great cities. I'm still having a lot of trouble figuring out what Revelation 11 means -- under any interpretive scheme.
        It's very simple: due to their rejection of God's Messiah, the nation of Israel sawed off the branch supporting them. Thus they became like Sodom, Egypt, and Babylon. They made themselves the epitome of the wicked nations before them.

        That's the gist of Mystery Babylon = the city of Jerusalem.
        Last edited by tsuro_no_Sugomori; 07-15-2014, 01:23 PM.

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          I've read Chilton's explanation before. I do not find it satisfactory. The Jews absolutely did not have any reign over the nations, spiritual or otherwise. God only gave the Jews power when they were obedient, not when they were wicked. And he took their kingdom away in the Old Testament because they were wicked. Saying that Jerusalem reigned over the kings of the earth seems incredibly weak.
          Judges 1:28
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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