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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Shuny, do you think that an actual infinite number of things can exist?

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      'I know not,' said Húrin. 'Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures.'

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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Quote Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo View Post
      Shuny, do you think that an actual infinite number of things can exist?
      I do not know, but for math any consideration for the concept of infinity is simply that there is always one more number, object or whatever beyond any imaginable number. The problem is understanding the differences between actual infinities and potential infinities, and how infinities apply in math cosmology, and the different possibilities for the nature of the greater cosmos that contains our universe. The book 'Infinity and the Mind' by Rudy Rucker is an interesting book that describes the concepts of infinity in cosmology.
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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Quote Originally posted by Rational Gaze View Post
      Yes, I know you are a moron who is unfamiliar with the evidence. You should probably stop speaking on matter's that are clearly above the comprehension of your puny little mind, lest such weighty matters give you a headache.
      Please familiarize me with the evidence you speak of. So far you have presented nothing but 'Air Balls.'

      Again, where is the evidence you speak of???? It is a matter of fact that there is actually no objective physical evidence that may be presented either way that would definitively demonstrate whether the greater cosmos containing our universe exists. The research cited is interesting and possibly a stepping stone to further knowledge concerning the nature of the relationship between our universe and what lies beyond, but it does not represent any form of definitive proof of anything.

      Have you read 'Infinity and the Mind' by Rudy Rucker?
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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Quote Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
      I do not know, but for math any consideration for the concept of infinity is simply that there is always one more number, object or whatever beyond any imaginable number. The problem is understanding the differences between actual infinities and potential infinities, and how infinities apply in math cosmology, and the different possibilities for the nature of the greater cosmos that contains our universe. The book 'Infinity and the Mind' by Rudy Rucker is an interesting book that describes the concepts of infinity in cosmology.
      Just because you can do something in math, doesn't mean that it can be represented in reality. Imaginary numbers come to mind.

      What is your response to thought experiments like Herbert's Hotel?

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      Then Morgoth turned upon Húrin, and he said: 'Fool, little among Men, and they are the least of all that speak! Have you seen the Valar, or measured the power of Manwë and Varda?
      Do you know the reach of their thought? Or do you think, perhaps, that their thought is upon you, and that they may shield you from afar?'

      'I know not,' said Húrin. 'Yet so it might be, if they willed. For the Elder King shall not be dethroned while Arda endures.'

      The Words of Húrin and Morgoth, "The Children of Húrin" by J.R.R. Tolkien

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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Quote Originally posted by Manwë Súlimo View Post
      Just because you can do something in math, doesn't mean that it can be represented in reality. Imaginary numbers come to mind.
      True in a yes and no way, but demonstrating things that are possible in math is a part of cosmology and physics, and in real science it works. Doing actual infinities, 'Do actual infinities actually exist?,' as a part of the philosophical questions have there own imaginary problems.

      What is your response to thought experiments like Herbert's Hotel?
      Simply yes. It is more realistic in the potentially infinite and vast greater cosmos is to imagine an infinite library with empty shelves or an infinite hotel with empty rooms. Now, try and fill them.

      The question still stands. Have you read the book or any other on the contemporary view of infinities, math and cosmology? The modern concepts are well established in the foundation logic of math and proofs.
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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      If indeed there are other universes then why would they not just combine like galaxies. And if there is something to repel one from another then someone will have to explain that. Even if the pattern is real then that is all we know, there is a pattern. To me it could be a giant interference pattern from expansion. Who knows. But to jump to multiple universe is a stretch.

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      Re: Out of this World: Evidence for other Universes?

      Quote Originally posted by franktalk View Post
      If indeed there are other universes then why would they not just combine like galaxies. And if there is something to repel one from another then someone will have to explain that. Even if the pattern is real then that is all we know, there is a pattern. To me it could be a giant interference pattern from expansion. Who knows. But to jump to multiple universe is a stretch.
      This post does not make sense. The consideration of 'possibly' multiverses has nothing to do with what you wrote above.

      Some galaxies collide and merge. some collide and pass through each other, but most are moving outward in clusters with the expansion of the universe. This has nothing to with the concept of multiverses or whether the greater cosmos that contains our universe is finite and temporal, or infinite and eternal.
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