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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    And what makes you think that democracies will be any better going forward with all the competing factions?
    Hmm, good point. Guess we should burn all the churches / mosques / temples / whatnot. Better to have no competing factions, right?
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
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    • Originally posted by seer View Post
      And what makes you think that democracies will be any better going forward with all the competing factions?
      Because religions are competing on the basis of their respective absolute beliefs, which are mutually exclusive, whereas democracies are not.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post
        That is a lie Roy, I did not misrepresent what Tass claimed in this thread.
        It's not a lie. You misrepresented what you claimed in this thread, as shown above. Post reported.
        Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

        MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
        MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

        seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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        • Originally posted by seer, earlier
          But can you have as much cohesion? Historical frequency of revolutions and civil wars suggest otherwise.
          How can you quantify that? The Roman empire lasted for centuries, China is still chugging along, and who knows if modern democracies will even last another century?
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          By studying history, which you obviously haven't since you don't know about the various revolts and revolutions that have disrupted Chinese society over the centuries.
          What are you taking about? China has remained relatively cohesive since the cultural revolution.
          So you're using China's stability over less than fifty years as support for China having stability for centuries. That's not exactly convincing.
          So has Cuba and North Korea. Islamic countries too are relatively cohesive without human rights.
          Islamic countries are relatively cohesive????? Did you miss the Arab spring? Or the ongoing issues with ISIS? How about the overthrowing of the Taliban, Saddam Hussein's assaults on Kurds, the Iran-Iraq war, the Somali war, the Sudanese civil war and the Kosovo war?

          What are you comparing Islamic countries' cohesiveness to? 1944 Germany? Mad Max? The Mote?

          Have fun in your delusional world.
          Last edited by Roy; 05-25-2017, 06:44 AM.
          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

          MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
          MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

          seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

            For as long s there are large sections of the populace deprived of their civil rights there will be discontent and the likelihood of revolution at the first opportunity. In short, there are better ways to maintain social cohesion than enforcing it via totalitarian rule.
            But that isn't a fact Tass, totalitarian regimes have often lasted for centuries pretty much intact. And democracies have their own problems with competing factions which do in fact disturb the social order.

            Are you suggesting that the "godless left" are not entitled to full equal rights, on what basis do you discriminate against them?
            No I'm saying that you are hypocritical. You claim that something like rape would be wrong because it would undermine social cohesion, yet if there is a cause you support you would have no problem disturbing the social order. Which makes your whole argument against rape nonsensical.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by Roy View Post
              So you're using China's stability over less than fifty years as support for totalitarian societies having stability for centuries.
              I specifically said that the Roman Empire lasted for centuries. China was a present day example, as I later referenced Cuba and North Korea...

              Islamic countries are relatively cohesive????? Did you miss the Arab spring? Or the ongoing issues with ISIS? How about the overthrowing of the Taliban, Saddam Hussein's assaults on Kurds, the Iran-Iraq war, the Somali war, the Sudanese civil war and the Kosovo war?
              And what did we get with the Arab spring? Just more and greater totalitarianism, or complete chaos. And yes there are many Muslim countries that are stable. Are you denying that?

              What are you comparing Islamic countries' cohesiveness to? 1944 Germany? Mad Max? The Mote?
              I have no idea what you mean? Are you denying that there are stable Muslim countries?
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Hmm, good point. Guess we should burn all the churches / mosques / temples / whatnot. Better to have no competing factions, right?
                No, in my country a good start would be to exile all godless liberals...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                  It's not a lie. You misrepresented what you claimed in this thread, as shown above. Post reported.
                  Another lie. Tell me exactly where I misrepresented what Tass says or believes.

                  I said: But you have zero evidence that rape would undermine social cohesion, so you have no rational argument against rape. Except that the idea gives you a bad feeling in your tummy... And the fact that when we speak of things like homosexuality you like to point back to our primate cousins claiming that it is a natural behavior.


                  Tass: ALL anti-social behaviour undermines the social values to preserve social cohesion and is therefore proscribed.
                  Tass' argument here and in the past revolves anti-social behavior. If it undermines social cohesion it is wrong. But if it is anti-social behavior for a cause he agrees with than it is OK.
                  Last edited by seer; 05-25-2017, 07:00 AM.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    But that isn't a fact Tass, totalitarian regimes have often lasted for centuries pretty much intact.
                    Since your chief example of a long-lasting intact totalitarian regime has been decimated three times by massively destructive civil wars since 1850, and your subsidiary examples have mostly suffered violent revolutions in the last few decades, nothing you say on this topic (or any other) should be believed.
                    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                    MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                    MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                    seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                    • Moderated By: Bill the Cat

                      Enough with the accusations of lying! Take it to the padded room. Any further mention of lying will be moderated and points assessed for flaming

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                      Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

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                      • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        Moderated By: Bill the Cat

                        Enough with the accusations of lying! Take it to the padded room. Any further mention of lying will be moderated and points assessed for flaming

                        ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
                        Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.

                        And tell that to Roy, who keeps accusing me of misrepresenting...Which is the same as accusing me of lying.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                          Since your chief example of a long-lasting intact totalitarian regime has been decimated three times by massively destructive civil wars since 1850, and your subsidiary examples have mostly suffered violent revolutions in the last few decades, nothing you say on this topic (or any other) should be believed.
                          My first example was Rome, and there were many others, some lasting centuries; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires

                          And as I made clear civil wars often lead to less freedom not more.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            I have no idea what you mean? Are you denying that there are stable Muslim countries?
                            No, I'm denying that "Islamic countries are relatively cohesive", a claim so ridiculous that you retreated from it fast enough to cause redshift.
                            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                            • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                              No, I'm denying that "Islamic countries are relatively cohesive", a claim so ridiculous that you retreated from it fast enough to cause redshift.
                              Good, and that is my point, there are Muslim countries that are relatively cohesive with little consideration of human rights. I did not say that all Muslim countries were cohesive you pedantic ass...
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post
                                Good, and that is my point, there are Muslim countries that are relatively cohesive with little consideration of human rights. I did not say that all Muslim countries were cohesive you pedantic ass...
                                So when you wrote , 'Islamic countries too are relatively cohesive', you don't really mean that Islamic countries are cohesive, you meant that there are some cohesive Islamic countries even though many if not most of them aren't. Got it.

                                So it's not wrong to say that e.g. 'swans are black', because a few of them are. It's not wrong to claim that 'bananas are pink' if you spray-painted a few bunches.

                                And when you wrote "primates are socially cohesive even with rape", you might have been referring only to a few exceptions and ignoring the majority - which skewers your argument completely.
                                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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