A large church that is actually along my way to work is building a $70 million sanctuary, with the centerpiece being the 'world's largest stained glass window'. The pastor of the church has touted it as a tool to bring people in who may be curious about the structure. I have to admit this strikes me as being excessive, but others feel differently; that ornate church designs can be honoring to God. What do you all think?
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If stained glass was all it took, the world would already be won for Christ.
If they wanna build it, it's their money to use - but if it's an evangelism tool it's an incredible waste of both time and money."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA large church that is actually along my way to work is building a $70 million sanctuary, with the centerpiece being the 'world's largest stained glass window'. The pastor of the church has touted it as a tool to bring people in who may be curious about the structure. I have to admit this strikes me as being excessive, but others feel differently; that ornate church designs can be honoring to God. What do you all think?That's what
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf stained glass was all it took, the world would already be won for Christ.
If they wanna build it, it's their money to use - but if it's an evangelism tool it's an incredible waste of both time and money."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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We need more put into evangelism. That money could have bought cs lewis, Kierkegaard, Chesterton and bibles. The church is failing in part because people dont even know what they are supposed to believe. Som e think they are christian just because of where they were born. Others dont even see yet that they are trapped in sin. I pray for the world. Satan truly is the greatest of liars because for all the shows like lucifer no one thinks he exist. Screwtape probably thinks those shows lucifer and preacher are great. Make the devil look unbelieveable so you wont acknowledge evil is in the screwtape letters.
I pray that he will come. That people may come to see that God lowered himself so that humanity could be saved. That God is not some idea, but the great teacher who is truth who wishes to see us saved.
Christians if they have artistic talent should use it to help build the church. Who knows it might do something but I think ultimately it will do little. If anything.sigpic
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Here is a story on it:
http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/09/worlds-...eawood-church/
apparently the whole thing will have cost 90 Million when they are done. That's crazy!
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHere is a story on it:
http://fox4kc.com/2017/01/09/worlds-...eawood-church/
apparently the whole thing will have cost 90 Million when they are done. That's crazy!Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostInterestingly, it's United Methodist."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostA large church that is actually along my way to work is building a $70 million sanctuary, with the centerpiece being the 'world's largest stained glass window'. The pastor of the church has touted it as a tool to bring people in who may be curious about the structure. I have to admit this strikes me as being excessive, but others feel differently; that ornate church designs can be honoring to God. What do you all think?
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As long as there are sick and hungry I think the old fashion tent revivals are a better use of the money. It is hard to take in something spiritual when one is hungry. Some ministers know this. This is why when ministers go places like Africa they feed the people and also hand out bibles. In this I see Christ feeding the world through his people.
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Moderator's notice: This section is only for Christian participation."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Entering the presence of Innocent II., before whom a large sum of money was spread out, the Pope observed, “You see, the Church is no longer in that age in which she said, ‘Silver and gold have I none.’”—“True, holy father,” replied Aquinas; “neither can she any longer say to the lame, ‘Rise up and walk.’”1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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