Sin, The Believer, And Calvinism

[seer]

I think scripture is clear. It is not God's will that the believer sins. For instance 1 Thess. 4:3 tells us that it is God's will that the believer abstain from fornication. So when we sin do we thwart God's will?

[Reader]

seer:

I think scripture is clear. It is not God's will that the believer sins. For instance 1 Thess. 4:3 tells us that it is God's will that the believer abstain from fornication. So when we sin do we thwart God will?

We surely do. And we also quench the Holy Spirit.

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." I John 1:8&9

It is Christ's faithfulness that keeps us, even when we as Christians sin. Coming to understand that our faith, is really His faith gifted to us, gives us great assurance when we falter and make mistakes or act faithlessly.

God is not please when we do, and we quench the Spirit within us temporarily, but Christ upholds us and is faithful to continually forgive us, based on His faithfulness and not on us at all:

"If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself."
II Timothy 2:13

(Of course, this is speaking of occasional sin. Not a constant practice of unrepentant sin, which displays no saving grace or faith from God to begin with.)

[seer]

We surely do. And we also quench the Holy Spirit.

So, here at least, it is possible to thwart the will of God? Man is sovereign - not God?

[Reader]

seer:

We surely do. And we also quench the Holy Spirit.

So, here at least, it is possible to thwart the will of God? Man is sovereign - not God?

Repeat:


(Of course, this is speaking of occasional sin. Not a constant practice of unrepentant sin, which displays no saving grace or faith from God to begin with.)

Confession of occasional sins, is also the will of God.

Christ has been established as our High Priest, fulfilling the spiritual role of Mediator, to continually keep us cleansed from the sin that remains in our earthly members. This is also the will of God.



You speak as if you think God's will is confined to not wanting men to sin, which indeed is important. But God's will is a bit more complex and wonderful than just that!

[seer]

You speak as if you think God's will is confined to not wanting men to sin, which indeed is important. But God's will is a bit more complex and wonderful than just that!

Let's not confuse the issue dear Reader. Either it is God's will that we sin or it isn't. Which is it? Or are you suggesting that God wills our sin?

[Reader]

seer:


Let's not confuse the issue dear Reader. Either it is God's will that we sin or it isn't. Which is it? Or are you suggesting that God wills our sin?

You are confusing the issue of God's sovereignty with the fact that all men are sinners. They are not on a par.

Sin never thwarted God's sovereignty or purpose.
(Scriptural principle: Genesis 50:20 and Romans 8:28)

If it had, we would not know His grace or His Son.

[seer]

Sin never thwarted God's sovereignty or purpose.

Ok, so God wants us to sin?