Two Faced Republicanism

[Sparko]

Kudos, Sparko, that might be the most offensive thing I've seen in a long time.

And it is so true that a picture paints a thousand words. Even if you cannot see it, that picture pretty much sums it up. Don't expect anyone to believe you care more about fetuses than you care about forwarding your misogynistic delusions.

I knew you would agree with the cartoon and miss the irony completely DimDim, because it sums up your arguments in this thread to a tee.

[Sparko]

Any time a woman's behavior is criticized, it's misogyny

I guess I am not a bigot then, because I have been criticizing TimZim much more than I have any women in this thread. Or does that make me a misandrist too?

[TyRockwell]

Okay, here is what TyRockwell wrote in this post:

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Originally posted by TyRockwell
There is no right, God-given or Contitutionally recognized right that a person's medical expenses be paid for by other people by forcing those who earn a living to dispose of their hard-won living to persons who don't or won't make a living. Christians, and all people who love one another already are motivated by their love to give what they can to family and people they know who are in need of help, whether food, medicine or clothing and housing.

This gives two unsettling impressions:

1) women who find themselves in desperate situations, and are pregnant are "persons who don't or won't make a living." This kind of rhetoric doesn't endear Christians to those who don't fit Ty's tidy little stereotype.
2) Ty strongly implies that Christians are more than willing to help on their own terms. And this shouldn't be criticized, but it calls into question what happens to those who don't like the Christians term? That is, it gives the impression that those who don't want to be beholden to the Christians' control will not be treated as well. And in my experiences, this is the case.

Here is an example. I knew a women who attended a Christian college. She got pregnant, rather than having an abortion, she chose to carry the pregnancy to term. She was expelled, because she had premarital sex.

If you really cared more about the fetus than you do about controlling women, then this kind of policy, from where I sit, seems inconceivable.

The point, you of little reading comprehension, is that DESPITE all the help programs that Christians have in place for distressed pregnant mothers, you claim we don't care about babies or their mothers. LittleShepherd clearly stated that crisis pregnancy centers far outnumber abortion mills.

What you really want is the right of mothers to kill their children at the tax payers' expense.

[TimZim]

The point, you of little reading comprehension, is that DESPITE all the help programs that Christians have in place for distressed pregnant mothers, you claim we don't care about babies or their mothers. LittleShepherd clearly stated that crisis pregnancy centers far outnumber abortion mills.

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And how is the pregnant woman supposed to know about and/or gain trust in those crises centers? To the extent that Christians don't seem to go to the places where women are in need, and gain their respect and confidence, then who cares how many crises centers there are. For example, suppose there was one called the Sparko crises center. Based on his profoundly offensive cartoon alone, if a woman asked me about his center, I would tell her that even though I haven't been there, based on his indifference about how others perceive him, then, "He'll, no!"

And ditto for you comparison to deadbeats.

[Sparko]

And how is the pregnant woman supposed to know about and/or gain trust in those crises centers? To the extent that Christians don't seem to go to the places where women are in need, and gain their respect and confidence, then who cares how many crises centers there are. For example, suppose there was one called the Sparko crises center. Based on his profoundly offensive cartoon alone, if a woman asked me about his center, I would tell her that even though I haven't been there, based on his indifference about how others perceive him, then, "He'll, no!"

And ditto for you comparison to deadbeats.

Most crisis centers are located near abortion clinics dimdim. There is one in my town that offers free checkups and color ultrasounds to any woman wanting them, and will help with any prenatal care costs. they also work hand in hand with other free clinics in the area, womens' shelters, and hospitals.

and the cartoon is only offensive because it is true. You have made the very arguments in this thread. The one being indifferent here is you DIMDIM. You don't care about women or their children, just your liberal feminism.

[RumTumTugger]

So!? A girl who is pregnant, when confronted with a desperate situation, and is possibly facing the lose of everything she has or knows, might conclude (foolishly, or not) that her life will be too perilous, unless she has a abortion. Surely, you are aware that women have gone to great lengths to get abortions, often at great risk. Once this girl has made her mistake ( though maybe not her mistake, but abuse or rape), you are advocating policies that will make her life onerous, if not completely untenable. A woman in that situation, has the right, whether you agree with it, or not, to take steps to mitigate her problems. It is her body, which you have no right to touch, or restrain.

And you, by the way, you have no way of controlling my brain. So I don't need you to tell me what i ought to conclude about the way you treat women. It is pathetic. And it is pathetic whether you believe it is, or not. and it nobody should accept that it is pathetic because I say it is, either. Rather it is hard not to conclude it is pathetic, and oppressive, based on the evidence women who have been affected by it have shared with the world.

Unless the girl was raped she did choose sir, there is always a chance that a baby will result from having intercourse. if she in not old enough or ready to raise a child then the only truly intelligent caring choice is to keep her legs closed until she is. and to make the choice to kill an innocent human being because you wanted your pleasure without the consequences effecting you is purely selfish and wrong not pathetic or someone trying to control you. You are not an animal you can CONTROL your urges just as that girl or women can if you choose not to then accept the consequences of your act do not make someone else pay for it. No the living growing separate human being in a woman's womb is not her body and she has no right to kill her because it would be an inconvenience to carry the child to term.

[RumTumTugger]

Oh so now you are equating pregnant women with thieves?

nope he is showing you the stupidity of your remark

[RumTumTugger]

And this is exactly why she has a choice to obtain an abortion. Thank you.

she has a choice at the moment because people like you are so morally bankrupt that you refuse to accept the fact that a living grown human being is a person because they are a living growing human being. oh and Dablonde if all you have are you old tired Assertions to the contrary with no argument to back it up don't bother to reply to me I will just point out your not being able to back them up.

[RumTumTugger]

A fetus possesses no rights whatsoever.

A living growing human being does DaBlonde you have not proven that the human Fetus isn't a growing living human being deserving of all rights all human beings have. Don't try to assert that a human being is not a person I have already shown you that the definition of person includes being human.

[RumTumTugger]

You want laws on what I can do with my body then I get to include some requirements about your body.

a living gowning human being is not your body no matter where it resides Eeset you do not have the right to kill a separite human being who is not a danger to you

[Challenger Grim]

she has a choice at the moment because people like you are so morally bankrupt that you refuse to accept the fact that a living grown human being is a person because they are a living growing human being. oh and Dablonde if all you have are you old tired Assertions to the contrary with no argument to back it up don't bother to reply to me I will just point out your not being able to back them up.

But then Da Blondebot will never post agai.....

Oh! Now I get it!

[RumTumTugger]

Perhaps women like you, who believe all life is sacred, also treat pregnant desperate women with respect and dignity. Perhaps you treat women who have been hurt before by hateful comments and actions of conservatives with respect, too -- even when they act petulant from time to time.

If there were more pro-lifers who respected others points of view and testimonies, then it would be much easier in our representative democracy to build the kind of coalitions needed to change the laws to your liking.

But . . . If you read this thread, the hope of that seems a long way off.

and show that those of us how do hold all human life to be sacred don't bring those who don't' to task for it when they do, and that does not include not your view that anyone who thinks a woman should understand what a responsible use of her body is as not respecting women.

[RumTumTugger]

Seems to me that liberalism, if you will, are the only ones that have tried to reform the health care system while conservatives continue to fight any such reforms, never attempting to reform it themselves, so it seems that you have it bass ackwards.

if you call forcing folks to get healthcare that is of the governments chosing or pay a penalty reform get this there are people who are happy with their insurance that would be effected by this since said insurance is not the type that Obama and the other far left statests want them to take. and I will fight tooth and nail against the government telling me what I need for health care. I do not call that reform if Obama and the other far left statest were interested in real reform they would not have lied and said that the Republicans didn't being anything to the table there were lots of real reform ideas coming from the Republicans but because they were suggestions that kept the choice purley whre it belonged in the individuals and their physicians hands it was ignored.

THe government telling me what type of health care I need is nor reform it is an unconstutional take over of my God Given Rights.that is what the conservatives are fighting the unconstitutionality of it. GET your facts right before you call oneside hypocritical.

[disciple100]

Any time a woman's behavior is criticized, it's misogyny

Whereas any time a man's behavior is criticized, it's an honorable and viable political act.

[Challenger Grim]

I'm sure "some" will enjoy
iamemilyx (attach "blogspot.com" to that)

Here's the about:

Emily X, a fictional name representing a compilation of Planned Parenthood affiliate staff and activists.
We have collected the stories of our staff and activists and presented them as the blog entries of Emily X. Some entries are verbatim words written by staff. Other entries were written by us based on stories we heard. Emily X serves as a reminder to the pro-choice community of the harassment and intimidation practiced by opponents of women's health. Emily X was triggered by and focuses on the anti-choice "40 Days for Life" protests, targeting Planned Parenthood affiliate health centers around the country. This year, the protests are taking place September 23 through November 1, 2009.

Now we know where TimZim gets his "information".

Again, you can play a part in keeping women from existing, and then label the other side as opposing "women's health". Somedays I think the only thing holding back God from smiting us all is that He's laughing too hard.