Are there not Judaic number meanings in New Testament?

[ManFromHeaven]

Theomatics sounds like a topic that would be to your liking.

Quick look at that site suggests it is just mathematics applied to selected script. There is a very limited number of numerical values of alphabet, which conspire to create the outcome, with no enlightenment or relevant meaning for me anyhow.

[Bowman]

Quick look at that site suggests it is just mathematics applied to selected script. There is a very limited number of numerical values of alphabet, which conspire to create the outcome, with no enlightenment or relevant meaning for me anyhow.

All that in 60 seconds.

Nice thorough research, brother!

[ManFromHeaven]

All that in 60 seconds.

Nice thorough research, brother!

I am familiar with mathematics and probability. For me, more interesting is that names have specific meanings and symbolisms together with their gematria values like 888; where 8 (Chet) has a pictograph of an opening with two vav's either side that portray the direct light of YHWH; therefore the pictograph is a doorway of light from Heaven. 7 Zayin Seven is also interesting to me. The sacred calligraphy of the pictograph has a crowned Vav (straight light from YHWH to man). So the number 7 can be seen to have relevant significance to Yeshua's parables or teaching in specific scriptures that require discerned meaning.

I like to find relevant meaning. But I don't deny that many words and sentences have been put together with intent to create some numerical intrigue. There is also another system of creating words and even short sentences by putting together letters across a diagonal of scripture or taking every say 7th or 8th letter and finding so called miraculous words and sentences. But the same can be done with any cyclopaedia of any language. Also blasphemous names or sayings can also be found with this method.

[ManFromHeaven]

7 Zayin Seven is also interesting to me. The sacred calligraphy of the pictograph has a crowned Vav (straight light from YHWH to man). So the number 7 can be seen to have relevant significance to Yeshua's parables or teaching in specific scriptures that require discerned meaning.

The number seven (7) Zayin Calligraphy of sacred text.

1. Tip or point of sword or tongue
3. Neck
6. Head
7. Crowned
8. Sword or tongue

Calligraphic pictograph depicts lower part leg 8; is (Vav 6- (straight light from God to man) that looks like a sword. Upper part 6 & 7 depicts crowned head.
The root meaning is; sustenance or nourishment from the root (Zan). Zan appears in words like (Mazon); meaning food.

The depiction of a sword has Zayin considered as paradoxical; how is nourishment related to a sword?
Vav; number (6)-Meaning; (straight light from Yahweh to man) depicts a sword!
As I have previously stated in contested posts; the sword (symbolises the spoken word of a mans tongue) and when crowned as in (Zayin) is the spoken word of, or from Yahweh through the messiah (Yeshua), so may be considered as spiritual nourishment from Yahweh who abides in heaven.

Zayin (seven) is; the spoken word (sword) of spiritual nourishment from Yahweh through the tongue of the messiah . Who is the spiritual bread or fruits of eternal life.
Zayin (seven) can readily be applied to Yeshua feeding the multitude of 4000, seven loaves of bread (bread of the fruits) spiritual food from Yahweh through Yeshua.

Zayin (7) is also divine completion as in seven days of the week, seven colours of the rain bow.
The Gematria of Zeyin is 67 which is the same value for (binah) meaning (understanding)
(6) Vav; (straight light from Yahweh to man); 7 Zayin; Yeshua‘s sword, or word, nourishment, spiritual healing through understanding; Also the straight light of understanding from Yahweh through the seven stars, seven golden lamp stands, the seven churches; the seven tributaries that flow into the seven churches from the river of knowledge Euphrates, that flows from the mountain of knowledge of Yahweh unto the city Jerusalem, unto the seven churches.

The number seven (loaves of bread) fits well with this "Straight light from Yahweh to crowned man" as nourishment and healing.

[Bowman]

I am familiar with mathematics and probability. For me, more interesting is that names have specific meanings and symbolisms together with their gematria values like 888; where 8 (Chet) has a pictograph of an opening with two vav's either side that portray the direct light of YHWH; therefore the pictograph is a doorway of light from Heaven. 7 Zayin Seven is also interesting to me. The sacred calligraphy of the pictograph has a crowned Vav (straight light from YHWH to man). So the number 7 can be seen to have relevant significance to Yeshua's parables or teaching in specific scriptures that require discerned meaning.

I like to find relevant meaning. But I don't deny that many words and sentences have been put together with intent to create some numerical intrigue. There is also another system of creating words and even short sentences by putting together letters across a diagonal of scripture or taking every say 7th or 8th letter and finding so called miraculous words and sentences. But the same can be done with any cyclopaedia of any language. Also blasphemous names or sayings can also be found with this method.

Blanket statements.

Give us a specific example from Theomatics and show exactly why you reject it.

[ManFromHeaven]

Blanket statements.

Give us a specific example from Theomatics and show exactly why you reject it.

I have not said "I reject it" What I said in earlier post was "For me, more interesting is that names have specific meanings and symbolisms together with their gematria values like 888; where 8 (Chet) has a pictograph of an opening with two vav's either side that portray the direct light of YHWH; therefore the pictograph is a doorway of light from Heaven. 7 Zayin Seven is also interesting to me. The sacred calligraphy of the pictograph has a crowned Vav (straight light from YHWH to man). So the number 7 can be seen to have relevant significance to Yeshua's parables or teaching in specific scriptures that require discerned meaning.

I like to find relevant meaning. But I don't deny that many words and sentences have been put together with intent to create some numerical intrigue. I'm more interested in the application to scriptural meaning. There is also another system of creating words and even short sentences by putting together letters across a diagonal of scripture or taking every say 7th or 8th letter and finding so called miraculous words and sentences. But the same can be done with any cyclopaedia of any language. Also blasphemous names or sayings can also be found with this method."

Please read my Topic of this thread which is about applying number meanings to scriptural meanings. If you like to do this as an example from Theomatics, we'll have something sensible to discuss. And you might even persuade me to look more closely to Theomatics. Like I said this topic is about applying Gematria to scriptural interpretation. Not just gematria which is in itself obvious and very complicated, in fact so very complicated one may miss relevance to application and understanding scriptural meaning.

[ManFromHeaven]

Give us a specific example from Theomatics and show exactly why you reject it.

I perceive you are looking for a clash of swords! Before I engage I would like to know if you are one person or representative of many as you claim the use of the term us. Perhaps you are possessed by many demons!

The sword of my father is unsheathed, ready for a healing!

Kia kaha
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ManFromHeaven
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[ManFromHeaven]

I am familiar with mathematics and probability. For me, more interesting is that names have specific meanings and symbolisms together with their gematria values like 888; where 8 (Chet) has a pictograph of an opening with two vav's either side that portray the direct light of YHWH; therefore the pictograph is a doorway of light from Heaven. 7 Zayin Seven is also interesting to me. The sacred calligraphy of the pictograph has a crowned Vav (straight light from YHWH to man). So the number 7 can be seen to have relevant significance to Yeshua's parables or teaching in specific scriptures that require discerned meaning.

My mistake! The number 888 does not exist in scripture.

http://www.templesanjose.org/Judaism...s/image008.gif

The letter Chet (Ch) number (8)

The pictograph of sacred letter Chet appears as a doorway of light, opening to life and a new beginning by way of the light from YHWH to man connected to Yeshua (Vav & Zayin)

The Letter Chet is made up of 2 Zayin’s (7) or the preceding letters of Vav and Zayin (6 & 7) which are written next to one another and connected together on top of the heads.
Vav 6 (direct light from YHWH to man) and Zayin (direct light to crowned man- Yeshua)

The pictograph of sacred letter Chet appears as a doorway of light, an opening to life or new beginning; the covenant of circumcision occurs on the 8th day of a boy’s life, (symbolic of separation from world) a new beginning. Sukkot is an 8 day festival anticipating Olam Habah (the world to come) a new beginning. 8 souls are saved during the great flood of condemnation; (a new beginning).

Jewish mystics believe Chet is the letter of life; since Chayim (life) and Chayah (living) both begin with the letter Chet. True life comes from Chasidut (devotion).
Chet (8) is also the number of Chen (Grace) and Chokhmah (Wisdom)

ManFromHeaven
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[Bowman]

I perceive you are looking for a clash of swords! Before I engage I would like to know if you are one person or representative of many as you claim the use of the term us. Perhaps you are possessed by many demons!

The sword of my father is unsheathed, ready for a healing!

Kia kaha
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ManFromHeaven
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Just wanted to see what types of numerology you are into, brother, and how you justify your methods.

Would it be safe to say that you are mainly into Jewish/Messianic mysticism and blend theology as you see fit?

[ManFromHeaven]

Just wanted to see what types of numerology you are into, brother, and how you justify your methods.

Would it be safe to say that you are mainly into Jewish/Messianic mysticism and blend theology as you see fit?

No.

Clearly I've dismissed your suggested occult of Hellenistic numerology! My first cause is to reason the meaning of scripture based on symbolism and allegory; of which I have reasonably shown to be true if you care to read other threads that I have discussed my understanding in.
My more recent interest is to see if the elements of gematria and Judaic mysticism complement my first cause meanings. The original sacred Hebrew calligraphy is clearly shown to have elements of symbolism connected to word meanings and it is fair to say that Yeshua and some of the gospel writers were also familiar with Judaic teachings of the Torah and very likely also the mystic symbolism, which is connected to numbers; as the numbers are the letters of the alphabet.

If you care to discuss allegory and symbolism the thread are; Matthew 1 Compare Luke 3.23 / Hearing the voice of God / What if Jesus of the NT came today.

Kia kaha

ManFromHeaven
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[ManFromHeaven]

Sukkot is an 8 day festival anticipating Olam Habah (the world to come) a new beginning

(Sukkot) Festival anticipating the world to come: Olam Habah - Messianic Age
A period of global peace and prosperity that will be brought about by the messiah when he comes.

Sukkot The Festival of Sukkot begins on the 7th month of Judaic calendar, Tishri 15-22; is an 8 day + (2 day’s following)
that some believe are included; making 10 days; ten is one of the perfect numbers, and signifies the perfection of Divine order, commencing, as it does, an altogether new series of numbers.
Ten is completeness of order, marking the entire round of anything, It implies that nothing is wanting; that the number and order are perfect; that the whole cycle is complete.

Sukkot was agricultural in origin. This is evident from the biblical name"The Feast of Ingathering,"from the ceremonies accompanying it, from the season – “The festival of the seventh month” (Tishri)– and occasion of its celebration: "At the end of the year when you gather in your labours out of the field" (Ex. 23:16); "after you have gathered in from your threshing-floor and from your winepress" (Deut. 16:13). It was a thanksgiving for the fruit harvest. Coming as it did at the completion of the harvest, Sukkot was regarded as a general thanksgiving for the bounty of nature in the year that had passed

Sukkot has a dual significance: historical and agricultural. Historically, Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters. Agriculturally, Sukkot is a harvest festival.

The word "Sukkot" means "booths," and refers to the temporary dwellings that we are commanded to live in during this holiday in memory of the period of wandering in the wilderness and being sustained by the provisions of nature that God has provided.

The wilderness is a place to which one departs or flees to; from their city of their faith at the time of tribulation. The booths are the temporary spiritual homes. The harvest and threshing of the grains and pressing of the grape's is a spiritual harvest from the fields of man, unto the light; the door way to life; (8) Chet; a new beginning. Before the tribulation upon seeing the signs one should beat their swords into plough shares for the planting of new seed unto the fields of mankind.

If a man is in the fields he should not go back to get his old cloak of prior faith, nor should the man on the roof of his old house of faith go back into his house to get anything, and pray that this time of tribulation does not happen on the Sabbath as the gates are closed and one cannot flee unto the hills of higher new understanding, from the old city of their faith.

The Lord’s Love for Unfaithful Israel

14 “But then I will win her back once again.
I will lead her into the desert
and speak tenderly to her there.
15 I will return her vineyards to her
and transform the Valley of Trouble[b] into a gateway of hope.
She will give herself to me there,
as she did long ago when she was young,
when I freed her from her captivity in Egypt.
16 When that day comes,” says the Lord,
“you will call me ‘my husband’
instead of ‘my master.’[c]
17 O Israel, I will wipe the many names of Baal from your lips,
and you will never mention them again.
18 On that day I will make a covenant
with all the wild animals and the birds of the sky
and the animals that scurry along the ground
so they will not harm you.
I will remove all weapons of war from the land,
all swords and bows,
so you can live unafraid
in peace and safety.
19 I will make you my wife forever,
showing you righteousness and justice,
unfailing love and compassion.
20 I will be faithful to you and make you mine,
and you will finally know me as the Lord.
21 “In that day, I will answer,”
says the Lord.
“I will answer the sky as it pleads for clouds.
And the sky will answer the earth with rain.
22 Then the earth will answer the thirsty cries
of the grain, the grapevines, and the olive trees.
And they in turn will answer,
‘Jezreel’—‘God plants!’
23 At that time I will plant a crop of Israelites
and raise them for myself.
I will show love
to those I called ‘Not loved.’[d]
And to those I called ‘Not my people,’[e]
I will say, ‘Now you are my people.’
And they will reply, ‘You are our God!’”


Kia Kaha

ManFromHeaven
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[Bowman]

(Sukkot) Festival anticipating the world to come: Olam Habah - Messianic Age
A period of global peace and prosperity that will be brought about by the messiah when he comes.

Sukkot The Festival of Sukkot begins on the 7th month of Judaic calendar, Tishri 15-22; is an 8 day + (2 day’s following)
that some believe are included; making 10 days; ten is one of the perfect numbers, and signifies the perfection of Divine order, commencing, as it does, an altogether new series of numbers.
Ten is completeness of order, marking the entire round of anything, It implies that nothing is wanting; that the number and order are perfect; that the whole cycle is complete.

Sukkot was agricultural in origin. This is evident from the biblical name"The Feast of Ingathering,"from the ceremonies accompanying it, from the season – “The festival of the seventh month” (Tishri)– and occasion of its celebration: "At the end of the year when you gather in your labours out of the field" (Ex. 23:16); "after you have gathered in from your threshing-floor and from your winepress" (Deut. 16:13). It was a thanksgiving for the fruit harvest. Coming as it did at the completion of the harvest, Sukkot was regarded as a general thanksgiving for the bounty of nature in the year that had passed

Sukkot has a dual significance: historical and agricultural. Historically, Sukkot commemorates the forty-year period during which the children of Israel were wandering in the desert, living in temporary shelters. Agriculturally, Sukkot is a harvest festival.

The word "Sukkot" means "booths," and refers to the temporary dwellings that we are commanded to live in during this holiday in memory of the period of wandering in the wilderness and being sustained by the provisions of nature that God has provided.

The wilderness is a place to which one departs or flees to; from their city of their faith at the time of tribulation. The booths are the temporary spiritual homes. The harvest and threshing of the grains and pressing of the grape's is a spiritual harvest from the fields of man, unto the light; the door way to life; (8) Chet; a new beginning. Before the tribulation upon seeing the signs one should beat their swords into plough shares for the planting of new seed unto the fields of mankind.

If a man is in the fields he should not go back to get his old cloak of prior faith, nor should the man on the roof of his old house of faith go back into his house to get anything, and pray that this time of tribulation does not happen on the Sabbath as the gates are closed and one cannot flee unto the hills of higher new understanding, from the old city of their faith.

The Lord’s Love for Unfaithful Israel

14 “But then I will win her back once again.
I will lead her into the desert
and speak tenderly to her there.
15 I will return her vineyards to her
and transform the Valley of Trouble into a gateway of hope.
She will give herself to me there,
as she did long ago when she was young,
when I freed her from her captivity in Egypt.
16 When that day comes,” says the Lord,
“you will call me ‘my husband’
instead of ‘my master.’[c]
17 O Israel, I will wipe the many names of Baal from your lips,
and you will never mention them again.
18 On that day I will make a covenant
with all the wild animals and the birds of the sky
and the animals that scurry along the ground
so they will not harm you.
I will remove all weapons of war from the land,
all swords and bows,
so you can live unafraid
in peace and safety.
19 I will make you my wife forever,
showing you righteousness and justice,
unfailing love and compassion.
20 I will be faithful to you and make you mine,
and you will finally know me as the Lord.
[b] 21 “In that day, I will answer,”
says the Lord.
“I will answer the sky as it pleads for clouds.
And the sky will answer the earth with rain.
22 Then the earth will answer the thirsty cries
of the grain, the grapevines, and the olive trees.
And they in turn will answer,
‘Jezreel’—‘God plants!’
23 At that time I will plant a crop of Israelites
and raise them for myself.
I will show love
to those I called ‘Not loved.’[d]
And to those I called ‘Not my people,’[e]
I will say, ‘Now you are my people.’
And they will reply, ‘You are our God!’”


Kia Kaha

ManFromHeaven
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From your posts, it appears that you are merely cut-n-pasting excerpts from websites and blending them in with your own words....without showing your references.

This is called plagiarism.

Do you have any material of your own?

[ManFromHeaven]

From your posts, it appears that you are merely cut-n-pasting excerpts from websites and blending them in with your own words....without showing your references.

This is called plagiarism.

Do you have any material of your own?

Do you not have anything of interest to contribute to the topic? If you have issues with my understandings then make reasonable post outlining your reasons and give your contra understanding that pertains to the topic.

plagiarism is taking the entire topic and understanding and words of another. I have merely taken a snippet of Judaic history and a snippet of OT scripture to support my profound understandings around the topic of allegory and symbolism.

One is not allowed here to make reference to other sites as this is considered as advertising! of other sites.

Clearly you lowered yourself to taking off topic cheap shots because you have nothing. Go back to your Hellenistic occult of numerology that you so proudly professed of. Along with your negative uninformative ignorance.

MFH

[Bowman]

Do you not have anything of interest to contribute to the topic? If you have issues with my understandings then make reasonable post outlining your reasons and give your contra understanding that pertains to the topic.

plagiarism is taking the entire topic and understanding and words of another. I have merely taken a snippet of Judaic history and a snippet of OT scripture to support my profound understandings around the topic of allegory and symbolism.

One is not allowed here to make reference to other sites as this is considered as advertising! of other sites.

Clearly you lowered yourself to taking off topic cheap shots because you have nothing. Go back to your Hellenistic occult of numerology that you so proudly professed of. Along with your negative uninformative ignorance.

MFH

When you admittedly steal material from the web, give no reference credits at all, and then sign your sig at the bottom, then this is clearly plagiarism, brother.

Just man-up and don't do it again.

[ManFromHeaven]

(Sukkot) Festival anticipating the world to come: Olam Habah - Messianic Age
A period of global peace and prosperity that will be brought about by the messiah when he comes.

Sukkot The Festival of Sukkot begins on the 7th month of Judaic calendar, Tishri 15-22; is an 8 day + (2 day’s following)
that some believe are included; making 10 days; ten is one of the perfect numbers, and signifies the perfection of Divine order, commencing, as it does, an altogether new series of numbers.
Ten is completeness of order, marking the entire round of anything, It implies that nothing is wanting; that the number and order are perfect; that the whole cycle is complete.

THESE ARE MY OWN WORDS; OF WHICH I MADE ERROR. TISHRI IS A 7 DAY FESTIVAL FOR JEWS IN ISRAEL.

Sukkot is only 7 days. There is an eighth day called Shemini Atzeret but it is not directly connected to Sukkot. The celebration of Simchat Torah that is on the ninth day is only for Jews outside of Yisrael. Simchat Torah and Shemini Atzeret is observed on the same day in Israel. Sukkot represents the coming Messianic Kingdom on Earth. While Shemini Atzeret represents the New Jerusalem coming after the Kingdom. Hope this helps you.

Personal email to me

This is a site from which I previously acknowledged as source of info; Here is a site that gives comprehensive meaning of numbers: http://www.biblestudy.org/bibleref/m...n-bible/1.html

Get a life brother and find something to contribute that has relevance to topic

MFH