What happened to the demons?

[yo lunch]

And I suppose that no atheists or agnostics here ever indulge in such behaviour. Like your little friend yo a few posts back. Did you report him?

Why should he, might I ask? What rule was broken? I'd like to know because I would also do a lot of "reporting" myself then !

[justgin]

Just to recap. 160 posts and not a single Christian has been able to give a coherent answer as to what would have happened to the demons after the pigs died.

You probably won't care to hear this but i would think it would be a much better question to ask what will happen to you after you die.

[mossrose]

Why should he, might I ask? What rule was broken? I'd like to know because i would also do a lot of "reporting" myself then!

I'm afraid he's beaten you to it, yo. He's reported 13 or 14 posts since last night, for "not contributing to and disrupting" this thread.

So, one more, your post where you tell a little jokey, he should also report, just to keep things fair, you know.

[Catholicity]

Where in the Bible does it say that Adam and Eve married? After all, there was no church or courthouse. Marriage is a man-made institution that did not require a piece of paper until man had been here for centuries and property rights and inheritance became major issues

Since we aren't getting into tangents here I won't get into how I view the entire story of Adam and Eve, but I'll say enough to tell you that I think of it as literal and figurative. Marriage however; I believe was later instituted for both civil and spiritual reasons; And I recognize that Solomon the worlds original playboy... married at a time when polygamy was culturally permissable. as a side note....Scripturally....not all of Solomon's marriage's were blessed arrangements, indeed Solomon died with a curse on himself and his home

Like many things; however, things changed for cultural reasons, and so here we are with monogamy. And I believe that due to circumstantial laws laid out in the New Testament, Monogamy is appropriate.

[yo lunch]

Since we aren't getting into tangents here I won't get into how I view the entire story of Adam and Eve, but I'll say enough to tell you that I think of it as literal and figurative. Marriage however; I believe was later instituted for both civil and spiritual reasons; And I recognize that Solomon the worlds original playboy... married at a time when polygamy was culturally permissable. as a side note....Scripturally....not all of Solomon's marriage's were blessed arrangements, indeed Solomon died with a curse on himself and his home

Like many things; however, things changed for cultural reasons, and so here we are with monogamy. And I believe that due to circumstantial laws laid out in the New Testament, Monogamy is appropriate.

I hate to burst your bubble but man is not naturally monogamous. As I stated, marriage was born of man's desire to possess property and claim things as his own. Women were considered property.

Are you aware that the notion of property rights was unknown to Native Americans? They did not understand why the White Man wanted to build fences and exclude them from water and buffalo. Furthermore, they had no compunction when it came to sharing their mates with others. BTW, they had no legal papers either.

As an aside, I feel it noteworthy to point out the hypocrisy of the Mormons in their recent umbrage concerning marriage when their boy Brigham Young had dozens of wives!

[Catholicity]

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Are you aware that the notion of property rights was unknown to Native Americans? They did not understand why the White Man wanted to build fences and exclude them from water and buffalo. Furthermore, they had no compunction when it came to sharing their mates with others. BTW, they had no legal papers either.

As someone well versed in Cherokee culture I'm highly aware, I'm also aware that between tribes their were many many differences as my ancestors customs were different from the Lumbee (who had no property boundary including that of man and wife) as opposed to the other tribesman of the region such as the Cherokee, the Seminole so on.

Your right Natives have a long history of no legal papers. We had no need for them. but culture aside...I am a law abiding Catholic.

hate to burst your bubble but man is not naturally monogamous

Regardless I do believe civily and religiously that we are to be monogamous

[Tassman]

The thing is, that instead of forming it as a question and coming across all cordial like you're actually interested in an honest answer -- which is just creepy to me (I can't speak for anyone else) -- why not just present it as a debate challenge?

Of course you would certainly get the verbal attacks (much like if I went into the NatSci section and posted as many threads against evolution as you do here against Christianity), but you might still earn at least a little respect.

You are entitled to post as many attacks against ‘evolution’ as you choose, in any forum you like, and they will be responded to with detailed and confident explanations – unlike the response to the atheistic/agnostic querying of scripture.

It is revealing of the theist mindset that legitimate (if awkward) questions are often treated with righteous indignation and only be responded to with mockery - and even boasted about as a legitimate response. It isn’t. Theists hold to a position many find absurd and indefensible and in an Apologetics forum it is legitimate to query it.

[yo lunch]

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As someone well versed in Cherokee culture I'm highly aware, I'm also aware that between tribes their were many many differences as my ancestors customs were different from the Lumbee (who had no property boundary including that of man and wife) as opposed to the other tribesman of the region such as the Cherokee, the Seminole so on.

Your right Natives have a long history of no legal papers. We had no need for them. but culture aside...I am a law abiding Catholic.


Regardless I do believe civily and religiously that we are to be monogamous

Welcome, Sister! I have Native American up my Family Tree also! Choctaw!

[Catholicity]

Welcome, Sister! I have Native American up my Family Tree also! Choctaw!

Sweet!!!!!!!

[Pitchforkpat]

You probably won't care to hear this but i would think it would be a much better question to ask what will happen to you after you die.

Why wouldn’t I care to hear it? First of all, I don’t know and neither do you but I certainly don’t mind if you tell me what you think will happen to me.

[Pitchforkpat]

And I suppose that no atheists or agnostics here ever indulge in such behaviour. Like your little friend yo a few posts back. Did you report him?

As soon as the moderators start removing the irrelevant posts, the ones Yo did in response to them can go too.

How did you know I’d reported other posts by the way?

I answered you

So they begged Jesus to send them into the pigs instead of the abyss and Jesus grants there request and then sends them into the abyss? Two problems I see with that.

1. So Jesus granted their wish to be sent into the pigs instead of into the abyss where they begged him not to be sent. Then, after the pigs were drowned, he sent them there anyway? Seems a little disingenuous of Jesus.


2. What was the point in having all the pigs killed? Why not just send them to the abyss. That makes no sense.


You’ll have to explain this or try something else.

[Pitchforkpat]

thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. It doesn't mean the rest of us are stupid for adhering to other beliefs.

Well you compell me to ask you. Do you think that deafness and muteness are sometimes caused by evil spirits today?


And two other questions you avoided:


1. If you think gays are worthy of the same rights as everyone else, then why do you think it was ok for Yahweh to order them put to death?


2. And why, since you think they deserve the same rights as everyone else, are you against gay marriage? Can you give me a rational reason for this?

[mossrose]

How did you know I’d reported other posts by the way?

Have you noticed my name colour? I am one of upper staff.

[Pitchforkpat]

It is revealing of the theist mindset that legitimate (if awkward) questions are often treated with righteous indignation and only be responded to with mockery - and even boasted about as a legitimate response. It isn’t. Theists hold to a position many find absurd and indefensible and in an Apologetics forum it is legitimate to query it.

Well put, Tassman. Very well put.

[Pitchforkpat]

Have you noticed my name colour? I am one of upper staff.

Then if it's been brought to your attention a while ago, why hasn't anything been done? Do I not have the right to have needlessly disruptive posts removed from my thread?

Oh, and I noticed you didn't respond to my explanation of why your answer doesn't make sense. I guess you've had to give up on that idea. Can't say I blame you.