What happened to the demons?

[Composer]

History is filled with books which declare them self ironclad and irrefutable. They all sit in heaps in the dust bin of history. For it seems that as time goes by the basis for that ironclad feeling goes away and rust sets in. Then over time new discoveries are made and the irrefutable nature of the book fails as well. When I was studying physics I used a book that was written within the last twenty years. The school and I wanted to learn the most current thinking about the theories of nature. Had the school used a book written over a thousand years ago I would have been exposed to all kinds of ideas that had been shown to be false. Now I am of the opinion that your book as well will become outdated and obsolete in due time. You may feel that your ideas are timeless and will never fail the test of time. If that is true then you have not learned much in history class. We do have some books that have been around for over a thousand years. Some of these are just as meaningful as the day they were written. I give some of them great value you may feel otherwise.

Are you seriously suggesting therefore that your currently alleged iron-clad, set-in-stone, holy spirit inspired, inerrant story book bible may change again?

1. If Yes! then you people are in worse trouble!

2. If No! then any legitimate book refuting your bible story-book as it stands now (e.g. yo lunch's impending book or posts such as mine that until legitimately refuted, stand as legitimate and unrefuted), can never be legitimately relegated to any scrap heap or collect dust, for they will remain vindicated and those that try to dispose of them or ignore them or hide them, only further manifest their dishonesty, ineptitude and rejection of Truth.

3. Meanwhile the legitimate evidence any acclaimed ' holy book ' is the words of a god given to men remains a constant zero!

[franktalk]

yo lunch's impending book or posts such as mine that until legitimately refuted, stand as legitimate and unrefuted), can never be legitimately relegated to any scrap heap or collect dust, for they will remain vindicated and those that try to dispose of them or ignore them or hide them, only further manifest their dishonesty, ineptitude and rejection of Truth.

Let us say that it takes two years to write such a book. Then one should have been written around 100 AD. Can you point to an anti-Bible book that has been around for two thousand years and has withstood the test of time? What makes today's book any different than yesterday's book? Don't you see it is your attitude about such a book that gives that book near supernatural powers. The content of the book however is the way it will be judged by history. The content of the Bible is still valid after thousands of years.

If indeed your ideas are the ultimate truth then why don't those ideas have a large following? Where are the billions of people following the truth you profess?

[Composer]

Let us say that it takes two years to write such a book.

You would need to ask yo lunch how long he took to write his book for a better idea. Your guesswork may not be accurate?

Then one should have been written around 100 AD. Can you point to an anti-Bible book that has been around for two thousand years and has withstood the test of time?

I believe the catholic church burned such books and later burned their authors in an attempt to rid the world of their presences so their dishonest bibles and perverted trinitarian ideology was all that was left as if that were some sort of legitimate declaration their bible and their sick ideology were vindicated.

What makes today's book any different than yesterday's book?

Being denied such books because they were corruptly destroyed I can't compare if say yo lunch's is better or as good? I'm just grateful such books are available now and your murderous trinitarian forefathers' shameful efforts in the main now curtailed.

Don't you see it is your attitude about such a book that gives that book near supernatural powers.

Only in your vivid imagination!

The content of the book however is the way it will be judged by history. The content of the Bible is still valid after thousands of years.

The content of any story book of fantasy is valid forever, like your bible, they are merely the musings of authors with extreme imaginations and in the case of all alleged ' holy books ' extreme and often perverted imaginations. The legitimate evidence any alleged ' holy book ' is the words of a god given to men remains a constant zero despite your personal empty opinion (lacking in legitimate substance) otherwise!

If indeed your ideas are the ultimate truth then why don't those ideas have a large following? Where are the billions of people following the truth you profess?

I can't compare all the earlier writings exposing your bible because as I said millions were murdered in horrendous ways by your trinitarian forefathers and those like them before them, as they went about preaching their alleged trinitarian ' god of love ' with the caveat ' you'll be tortured and murdered in horrific ways if you won't believe that '. LOL!

[franktalk]

I believe the catholic church burned such books and later burned their authors in an attempt to rid the world of their presences so their dishonest bibles and perverted trinitarian ideology was all that was left as if that were some sort of legitimate declaration their bible and their sick ideology were vindicated.

The Catholic church did not rule the world. Are you telling me that in two thousand years not one book was written outside the control of the church even though most of the world was not ruled by the church? Not one Hindu, not one Muslim? I am not sure you have thought this through.

[yo lunch]

Let us say that it takes two years to write such a book. Then one should have been written around 100 AD. Can you point to an anti-Bible book that has been around for two thousand years and has withstood the test of time? What makes today's book any different than yesterday's book? Don't you see it is your attitude about such a book that gives that book near supernatural powers. The content of the book however is the way it will be judged by history. The content of the Bible is still valid after thousands of years.

If indeed your ideas are the ultimate truth then why don't those ideas have a large following? Where are the billions of people following the truth you profess?

Ever hear of censorship? This was a tactic used by the Church for centuries in order to suppress the truth about religion and the Bible. Books against religion were largly avoided by major book publishers until recent years. The publishers were religious and did not want to rock the boat. Authors had to resort to self-publication and small publishing companies in order to even get a small voice. When a book did somehow manage to beat the odds and reach the shelves, they were stolen, placed out of sight, etc. My book, Elijah Muhammed, the False Prophet, 1976, was constantly being hidden on the book shelf when they learned that it slammed Christianity as well as Islam. I even had one dealer tell me that it was a nice book but he would not carry it because he feared retribution from the Nation of Islam
Now, in a more friendly enviornment, Christainity cannot withstand the onslaught of truth and will fall under the assault in a relatively short time after my book comes out.

[Dr Cranberry]

Anti-biblical thought has been evolving as the social clime allows more latitude. Until recently, it was unthinkable that Jesus or Paul could have been considered ahistorical. Newer archeology has discovered other books, scrolls, and newer historical perspectives. Paleontology has discovered that the first book of the bible is wrong. Christian apologists are continually inventing non-falsifiable arguments to defend the book. Some of them won't even let go of the creation story, which gives skeptics a good idea of how much bendyness there is in "apology", if you keep a straight face.

Since the bible is not based on anything relevant being verifiable, criticism of it is controlled by how much emphasis the population places on verifiability. This trend is increasing, as people get exposed to more lies. Daily, people are bombed with emails that purport to be truth, that when investigated, turn out to be clever fakes.

Religions have great following, not because God is real, but because people are desperate for artifical meaning, and life continuance. By "artificial", I mean knowledge that appears to be a short-cut to finding a genuine meaning for our species.

[franktalk]

Religions have great following, not because God is real, but because people are desperate for artifical meaning, and life continuance. By "artificial", I mean knowledge that appears to be a short-cut to finding a genuine meaning for our species.

If indeed the message of the Bible is false and only attracts people because of the feel good message then why has the story not been updated in two thousand years? I mean a much better story could have been written that fits in with science and would not have all of those foolish stories that you consider fantasy. With all of the clever people looking for attention I am sure that someone could have produced something to keep the masses satisfied.

If the message was written by man I would have thought that long ago it would have fallen out of favor. But it has not. Why is it that in the face of scientific advancement these stories keep attracting followers? As for evidence science has lots of it. The Bible according to some has very little evidence so why does the story continue? It must be very frustrating to know that the Bible is a fable yet billions of people follow the stories and believe them. What do those people know that you do not? Is there something besides the stories that keeps people coming back for more? What kind of supernatural force could make this happen? Makes one wonder.

[Composer]

If indeed the message of the Bible is false and only attracts people because of the feel good message then why has the story not been updated in two thousand years?

#1: A god molests a young girl, makes her pregnant with a godman that does miracles including walking on water etc. selects mostly dumb fishermen as followers and then cons people in to believing they will live forever in bliss, that's a neat tale and obviously hard to beat!

I mean a much better story could have been written that fits in with science and would not have all of those foolish stories that you consider fantasy. With all of the clever people looking for attention I am sure that someone could have produced something to keep the masses satisfied.

Many people seem to want to believe the absurd despite the irrationality of those concepts against them. Take the trinity concept as a prime example.

If the message was written by man I would have thought that long ago it would have fallen out of favor. But it has not.

See #1: above

Why is it that in the face of scientific advancement these stories keep attracting followers? As for evidence science has lots of it. The Bible according to some has very little evidence so why does the story continue? It must be very frustrating to know that the Bible is a fable yet billions of people follow the stories and believe them.

See #1: above

What do those people know that you do not? Is there something besides the stories that keeps people coming back for more? What kind of supernatural force could make this happen? Makes one wonder.

Need not be a supernatural force at play, but merely the selfish greeds of many people for the promise of an eternity of bliss yet still manage to remain in that bliss despite others (could be other family members & alleged loved ones) completely missing out?

Bottom line - See #1: above.

[franktalk]

A god molests a young girl, makes her pregnant with a godman that does miracles including walking on water etc. selects mostly dumb fishermen as followers and then cons people in to believing they will live forever in bliss, that's a neat tale and obviously hard to beat!

So how can a foolish story attract so much attention over the ages? In fact the story itself calls itself foolish to the wise.

1 Corinthians 1:27 (King James Version)

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

So according to the story God made the story foolish on purpose and chose weak things to fight against strong things. Sounds to me like it should have disappeared long ago. But it has not. So here you are confounded just like it predicted two thousand years ago. Maybe those accurate predictions are what kept the story going for all those years. And what about Israel coming back after two thousand years. That was some prediction as well. Makes one wonder why all of those accurate predictions are wrapped up in such a foolish story.

And what about this one.

2 Peter 3

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

It predicted that men would deny the flood because of uniformitarianism. This is exactly what has happened. So how could Peter know what future geologist would use to deny the flood?

Or this one.

Luke 21:20 (King James Version)

20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

How did Christ know that in 38 years the Romans would dismantle the city and leave no stone atop another? For such a silly story it sure has some great predictions. Any idea how that could happen?

[Tassman]

So how can a foolish story attract so much attention over the ages? In fact the story itself calls itself foolish to the wise.

1 Corinthians 1:27 (King James Version)

27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

So according to the story God made the story foolish on purpose and chose weak things to fight against strong things. Sounds to me like it should have disappeared long ago. But it has not. So here you are confounded just like it predicted two thousand years ago. Maybe those accurate predictions are what kept the story going for all those years. And what about Israel coming back after two thousand years. That was some prediction as well. Makes one wonder why all of those accurate predictions are wrapped up in such a foolish story.

Many “foolish religions” have survived for more than 2,000 years. E.g. The ancient Egyptian religion dominated every aspect of society and flourished for more than 3,000 years.

As for accurate predictions the alleged prophecies of the coming messiah in no way predicted the “suffering servant figure” of Jesus. These were adapted from existing prophecies not concerned with him. The “Messiah” is never mentioned in this context but always as some sort of warrior figure who would restore the glory of Israel.

And what about this one.

2 Peter 3

1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

It predicted that men would deny the flood because of uniformitarianism. This is exactly what has happened. So how could Peter know what future geologist would use to deny the flood?

Peter is almost universally recognized by scholars to be a forgery. It was composed late in Peter’s name to encourage the faithful to remain true to Jesus, despite his promised second coming in their own lifetimes never occurring. It still hasn’t!

Or this one.

Luke 21:20 (King James Version)

20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

How did Christ know that in 38 years the Romans would dismantle the city and leave no stone atop another? For such a silly story it sure has some great predictions. Any idea how that could happen?

Yes!

It was a prophecy made after the fact. Partly because of this “prophecy” Luke is dated well after the CE70 fall of Jerusalem at around CE 85 according to scholarly consensus.

[yo lunch]

If indeed the message of the Bible is false and only attracts people because of the feel good message then why has the story not been updated in two thousand years? I mean a much better story could have been written that fits in with science and would not have all of those foolish stories that you consider fantasy. With all of the clever people looking for attention I am sure that someone could have produced something to keep the masses satisfied.

If the message was written by man I would have thought that long ago it would have fallen out of favor. But it has not. Why is it that in the face of scientific advancement these stories keep attracting followers? As for evidence science has lots of it. The Bible according to some has very little evidence so why does the story continue? It must be very frustrating to know that the Bible is a fable yet billions of people follow the stories and believe them. What do those people know that you do not? Is there something besides the stories that keeps people coming back for more? What kind of supernatural force could make this happen? Makes one wonder.

Was it P.T. Barnum that said, "There's a sucker born every minute?"

[yo lunch]

franktalk said:

How did Christ know that in 38 years the Romans would dismantle the city and leave no stone atop another? For such a silly story it sure has some great predictions. Any idea how that could happen?:

Only in fiction could that happen. After all, Jesus said that he would return soon on a cloud with great fanfare. He certainly did not leave the impression that it would take 2000 years, let alone a mere 38!!!!!!!

[franktalk]

Only in fiction could that happen. After all, Jesus said that he would return soon on a cloud with great fanfare. He certainly did not leave the impression that it would take 2000 years, let alone a mere 38!!!!!!!

What you don't understand is that time is always seen through the eyes of the Jewish people. While the Jews are blinded and the Church period is progressing the clock is not ticking. There are many examples of this in scripture. So while you may be looking at the clock and seeing it move from the aspect of the Jewsih plan the clock has paused. It will continue that way until the Time of the Gentiles is complete. That period ends when the Gentiles no longer trodden the Temple Mount. It is an unknown date.

[yo lunch]

What you don't understand is that time is always seen through the eyes of the Jewish people. While the Jews are blinded and the Church period is progressing the clock is not ticking. There are many examples of this in scripture. So while you may be looking at the clock and seeing it move from the aspect of the Jewsih plan the clock has paused. It will continue that way until the Time of the Gentiles is complete. That period ends when the Gentiles no longer trodden the Temple Mount. It is an unknown date.

Is that anything like Joshua and the Sun? HA! HA! HA! Please! Time waits for no one!

[franktalk]

Is that anything like Joshua and the Sun? HA! HA! HA! Please! Time waits for no one!

It is more like a game that is stopped and then started again. The time that the game is stopped is not counted as part of the game.