Passover and communion

[4 Zion]

Shalom!

Theres a direct connection between the Passover and the Christian communion. What is called the "Last Supper" in Christianity was in fact the Passover Sedar. The meeting in the upper room was specifically to observe this Appointed day observance. Many Christians miss this fact simply because the supper took place prior to the mainstream observance of the Pharisees.I believe Jesus/Y'shua was crucified at the precise time that the sacrificial lambs were being slaughtered before the Temple for the Pasach/ Passover. What many are not aware of is that the essenes did celebrate the passover observance prior to the traditional observance of it in Judaism. The Essenes were a monastic order of Jews who did not marry and normally secluded themselves outside Jerusalem where they practiced their faith away from the corruption of the Pharisees and Sadducees who held sway over the religious system.They normally secluded themselves away from the city in the wilderness near the dead sea.

The Essenes did however come to Jerusalem for specific Holy days .

Jesus tells his disciples when they ask about the passover preparations ..
, His disciples said to Him, Where do You desire that going we may prepare that You may eat the Passover?

Mar 14:13 And He sent two of His disciples, and said to them, Go into the city. And you will meet a man carrying a pitcher of water. Follow him.
Mar 14:14 And wherever he goes in, say to the housemaster, The Teacher says, Where is the guest room where I may eat the Passover with My disciples?
Mar 14:15 And he will show you a large upper room, having been spread and made ready. Prepare for us there.
Mar 14:16 And His disciples went out and came into the city and found it as He told them. And they prepared the Passover.

The man carrying the water is a clue here. In the middle east the women are the ones who fetch the water. This is considered womens work in these cultures. It was undignified for a man to do this. So the disciples would notice this as unusual . Its not like there were men normally doing this. The fact that essenes did not marry would force them to have to do this chore themselves.

So the passover could be celebrated at the time of observance of the essene Passover and still allow Jesus/ Y'shua to be sacrificed at the precise time the main Jewish sacrifice for Passover took place at the temple. There is confusion by some who assume Sabbath is always the 7th day sabbath.Some Holy days are also sabbaths to the Hebrews and kept as such.

The Passover supper can be seen in the synoptic Gospels. But to those who are not familiar with it the narrative might look more like a simple meal in the upper room and since it didn't take place on the traditional Passover day it also causes confusion over the timing of the crucifiction and how Jesus could be three days and three nights in the tomb. It takes some real creative counting to make 3 days and nights from Friday evening til early Sunday morning. Remember Sabbath begins at dusk on friday for the Jews, so the bodies had to be off the crosses before dusk. From friday dusk to Saturday dusk is one day and two days would put you at Sunday evening. If Messiah was put on the cross on wednesday taken down Thursday and in the tomb before the Passover Sabbath it could fit chronologically . But not with the Saturday Sabbath idea and a resurrection on Sunday.Anyway its something to think about.

The observance of the Passover, commemorates the first Passover in Egypt. The Israelites were warned by Moses to do as they were instructed to save the lives of the firstborn. The warning was given to Egypt of God's judgement as well. But not the instructions to protect themselves it appears ,God was judging the Egyptians!

The Lamb was slaughtered and the blood drained into a bowl. A hyssop branch was then dipped into it and the blood was painted across the lintel and down the door jambs. No doubt the entire household was outside watching the father do this and then all filed into the home as instructed to await the angel of death who was to pass over any house so marked.This was done by faith believing God would spare them.

This symbolism is interesting because the people passed through the blood of the lamb around the door into the home to be protected from God's judgement. The firstborn males outside of the home were to die by the judgement of God.

This whole story is latent with Messianic imagery.Messiah was the firstborn of many brothers (believers) and He suffered the curse/plague for sin and death on our behalf. We pass through his blood to enter in by faith and He becomes our protective covering (home) as we abide with Him. Since Messiah is sinless he is illustrated in the unleavened bread also. The week of unleavened bread proceeds the Passover. Remember Leaven represents sin to the Hebrew people. The passover bread contains no yeast and so it is a representation of Messiahs body. The lamb as well and the cup/wine his shed blood. The bitter herbs remind of the bitterness of sin and the need to be ready to leave quickly from Egypt/world at a moments notice. That believers need to flee from sin in their own lives and depart/ repent from it.

All of the 7 biblical Appointed days are types or aspects of Messiahs ministry or attributes as well as pointing to His return( the fall appointed days). Most Christians miss that fact and most Jews don't understand the messianic symolism woven into these days that they observe year after year. The entire Torah is filled with types and symbols of Messiah but because most churches teach that all the types were fulfilled by Jesus many see no point in studying them to any degree . I see this as folly because we can still learn from them and see Messiah all through the entire scripture. It only enriches our understanding.

Blessings

[4 Zion]

Hmmm ,70 views but not a thought or insight posted on this thread? I find that hard to believe. Usually get all sorts of reactions! LOL!

[sylvius]

The bitter herbs remind of the bitterness of sin and the need to be ready to leave quickly from Egypt/world at a moments notice. That believers need to flee from sin in their own lives and depart/ repent from it.

It is pure nonsense what you write ...

[4 Zion]

Thank you Sylvius, I have found your posts similarly insightful!

Blessings!

[sylvius]

Passover never occurs on a friday
(beginning thursdayevening) .

The last supper being a passover-meal is a Markian construct to tell you something else, viz. that essentially the entering of the Sabbath is the same as the exodus from Egypt.

It is all about the Name of God hidden in the beginletters of the last two Hebrew words of Genesis 1:31 and the first two Hebrew words of Genesis 2:1 , "yom hashihsi vay'chulu hashamayim".

Noteworthy is the fact that "hashishi" is the 434th word of the Torah.

434 being gematia of "delet", door.

Door = Greek "thura" , you'll find in Mark 15:46,

καὶ προσεκύλισεν λίθον ἐπὶ τὴν θύραν τοῦ μνημείου.
"and he rolled a stone on the door of the grave"

Stone = "lithos" , mentioned already in Mark 12:10,

Λίθον ὃν ἀπεδοκίμασαν οἱ οἰκοδομοῦντες, οὗτος ἐγενήθη εἰς κεφαλὴν γωνίας:
"The stone that was rejected by the housebuilders, this has become to the head of the corner"

Now you know where the corner is...

John , who did write his Gospel later, thought he had to correct Mark.
(a little stupid of him).

The sixth day and the seventh joined together form a new day one.

Day one being the day of "y'hi or " = "let there be light"

Light = Spanish "luz"

Hebrew "luz" = almond.

Wordplay of the Zohar.

Luz-bone said to be the bone of resurrection.

The resurrected body is a body of light.

[4 Zion]

Wow!! thanks for clarifying...Everybody got that now????

[sylvius]

I was apparently wrong about the !5th of Nissan (first day of Pesach) never falling on a friday (beginnign thursday-evening):

http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/topic/3...T-DOWN?page=-1

ProfBenTziyyon



“Bob” is also apparently unaware that the restrictions of the (modern) calculated Jewish calendar, which limit the first day of Pesaḥ to Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday and Shabbat, were not in force in the first century CE because the calculated calendar was only introduced at a later date:

וּמֵאֵימָתַי הִתְחִילוּ כָּל יִשְׂרָאֵל לְחַשֵּׁב בְּחֶשְׁבּוֹן זֶה? מִסּוֹף־חַכְמֵי־הַגְּמָרָא בָּעֵת שֶׁחָרְבָה אֶֽרֶץ־יִשְׂרָאֵל וְלֹא נִשְׁאַר שָׁם בֵּית־דִּין קָבֽוּעַ; אֲבָל בִּימֵי־חַכְמֵי־הַמִּשְׁנָה וְכֵן בִּימֵי־חַכְמֵי־הַגְּמָרָא עַד יְמֵי־אַבָּיִי וְרָבָא—עַל קְבִיעַת־אֶֽרֶץ־יִשְׂרָאֵל הָיוּ סוֹמְכִין׃

“When did all of Yisraél begin to use this calculated calendar?—From the end of the Talmudic period when there was no longer an established Beit Din there; however, they relied on the calendar that was determined [on the basis of direct astronomical observation] in Eretz Yisraél throughout the Mishnaic period and even in the Talmudic period until the time of Abbayi and Rava.” (Rambam, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Kiddush Haḥodesh 5:3)

Abbayi and Rava were both active around 340BCE and, according to tradition, the calculated calendar was introduced in the year נָחָ"שׁ, i.e 358BCE.

But I remain with that it is all about the entrance of Sabbath safeguarded by God (Hashem) hidden in the beginletters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" (Genesis 1:31 - 2:1)

[sylvius]

in the year נָחָ"שׁ, i.e 358BCE

Must be in the year 358CE.
which should have been clear already and which the prof corrected himself already.

Funny 358 = נָחָשׁ = "nachash" = snake

But 358 is also gematria of "mashiach" = Christ.

Both get it on their head ..

Messiah the archetypical scapegoat (scapelamb).

[4 Zion]

Umm, it was a joke Sylvius, Nevermind!

[sylvius]

Fact is that according to Kaluach Hebrew date converter
in the year 33 CE the 15th of Nisan fell on a Sabbath:

http://www.kaluach.org/

Shabbat שבת
15 Nisan 3793 טו ניסן ג'תשצ"ג
2 April 33 2 אפריל 33

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Pesach חג פסח

So John might be historically right.

When Jesus was born ih the year 0 CE he would have been 33 years old by then.

Crucified on the first of April.

As April Fool's Day joke?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brielle

"Op 1 april verloor Alva zijn bril" translating into "On April 1st, Alva lost his glasses. "bril" is the Dutch word for "glasses". ...

[sylvius]

Question:


At what age do you think Adam did eat from the forbidden fruit?

Was he just a baby, not even one day old?

Or was he over 18?

Or was he ageless?

One thing is for sure, viz. that it was on a friday, same day on which Jesus was cruicified.

Coincidence?

[sylvius]

Question:


At what age do you think Adam did eat from the forbidden fruit?

Was he just a baby, not even one day old?

Or was he over 18?

Or was he ageless?

One thing is for sure, viz. that it was on a friday, same day as on which Jesus was crucified.

Coincidence?

[4 Zion]

As April Fool's Day joke?

Im sorry, you misunderstood the point... Anyway I do believe the crucifiction took place before the traditional "good friday" and that the Messiahs body was removed from the cross on thursday prior to the Pasach Sabbath and not the 7th day Sabbath.

At what age do you think Adam did eat from the forbidden fruit?

I am not sure what the age of Adam has to do with the OP topic. But I believe Adam was created as a a fully grown man, and intended to be immortal until death entered in at the point of disobedience. Yes the 6th day was the day of mans creation ,but Perhaps Messiah was born on the 6th day as well.Which would have put his circumcision on the Sabbath. Coincidence? There are many things to speculate on.

[sylvius]

Im sorry, you misunderstood the point...

Jesus crucified on the first of April, was that not a joke?

Anyway I do believe the crucifiction took place before the traditional "good friday" and that the Messiahs body was removed from the cross on thursday prior to the Pasach Sabbath and not the 7th day Sabbath.

The Gospels mention the first day of the week for the women to find an empty grave.
So the beforegoing Sabbath is a "7th day Sabbath" and the beforegoing day, on which Jesus was crucified, was a 6th day (friday).

I am not sure what the age of Adam has to do with the OP topic. But I believe Adam was created as a a fully grown man, and intended to be immortal until death entered in at the point of disobedience. Yes the 6th day was the day of mans creation ,but Perhaps Messiah was born on the 6th day as well.Which would have put his circumcision on the Sabbath. Coincidence? There are many things to speculate on.

So Adam was not an old man when he ate, like also Jesus was not an old man when crucified.

And also not the resurrected Jesus - he seems to be of the same age as when crucified.

Not an ancient of days, with a very very long white beard, etc.

[4 Zion]

I do not know what you are talking about Sylvius. I never mentioned April first at all. And Messiah could not have been 3 days and nights in the tomb as He stated he would, if crucified on a friday. Have no idea what the age of Adam has to do with the age or appearance of Jesus at the time of His resurrection. This is not making any sense as related to the OP. (this unrelated rambling) This was the joke i was talking about earlier.