Idol worship and sacrifice

[jo7241974]

Bowman;3195554]

Jews worship the devil, as told to us by Jesus in the NT.

This is a gross misinterpretation of what Jesus was teaching. It is an interpretation of man; it is not an interpretation witnessed to or confirmed by the Holy Spirit. Your interpretation also completely ignores and denies what the OT taught about the children of Israel.

Your knowledge of Biblical scripture is very poor, sister.

When Jesus came to them, some believed in Him, others did not. The ones that believed in Him turned from their father the devil and took Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Thus...if Jews had been believing in the correct God all along then why would some change to believe in Jesus while others (even today) reject Him outright?

When Paul (while still known as Saul) persecuted the Christians, he thought he was doing what God wanted him to do. Once he had his road-to-Damascus experience, he learned that Jesus WAS the promised Messiah. He didn't start believing in a "different" God; his knowledge about God was added upon. This is why Paul tells us that even though it turns out he was persecuting his God rather than serving Him, he proclaims God's mercy over him because God recognized that Paul was persecuting the Christians in ignorance due to the fact that he had not been able to "see" that the prophesies about the Messiah had been fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Inasmuch as it is due to the blindness of the Jews that the Gospel message could then be taught to the Gentiles, it is no coincidence that God would use a Jew who had been blind to the Truth about Jesus, to become the very Apostle called to teach the Gentiles.

Your interpretation causes mass confusion and contradiction in the Bible. God is not the author of confusion.

How so?

There is much more than what I will show you in this post. The Book of Revelation has quite a bit written about the Jews in the end times. Remember, too, that we are taught that "every knee shall bow, and tongue confess" the name of Jesus. This includes Jews - it includes ALL of mankind. See here:

Revelation 5:13 KJV

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

The Son is taught all through the OT, sister.

Yes He was. However, the Jews were not blinded until AFTER they failed to recognize Jesus when He came in the flesh.

Why did the Jews and Hebrews repeatedly disobey God?

Because they had their free agency to do so. All of us sin, and we continue to sin regardless of whether or not we believe in God. We sin because we are not yet able to completely do God's Will. We are not able to do so while we are in the flesh. This is what Paul was talking about when he tells us how he needed to repent daily; although his spirit was in God's camp, his body was not. He still made choices in accordance with the flesh which caused him to require to repent every day.....he was unable to change his body's desires. He could only change what his spirit wanted - which was to follow Christ. When the Holy Spirit "changes" us, it is our spirit that is being changed; not our physical body. He that has ears, let him hear.

Everything I have spoken of is in the Bible and was there long before Joseph Smith was ever born. The LDS are not the only ones who disagree with you. I never believed as you do; even though I was raised a Lutheran.

You never specifically addressed my question on if you think you are better than a Jew, though your words would have me believe that you do think yourself superior. Now you are presenting remarks which hold you and your beliefs above me and my beliefs, as well. This is taught against by Jesus and His Apostles. The joy a person receives with the knowledge that Jesus Christ is our Beloved Savior and Redeemer who lives is one that brings us the desire to keep His commandments. This includes the desire to be able to learn how to love all others and to be at peace with them - even as Christ brings peace to our spirit. Your words are filled with anger toward others, and superiority about yourself and your beliefs. Like the rest of us, you struggle with the influences of the physical world. Look beyond the physical. As the Holy Spirit guides and directs us to all truth, our attachment to this world will help us to see each other literally in a new light.

Best regards,

jo

[franktalk]

Read your scriptures, sister.

Jesus said point-blank in the NT that the Father of the Jews was the devil, himself.

Clearly, Jews do not worship the Triune God of Christians.

The Jews worship the God of Jacob and Joseph and Abraham and Issac. I would be honored to worship with any Jew anywhere. Your hatred of the Jews has nothing to do with who they worship. We are all children of God even atheist should be welcome to sit at our table. Your messages here are antichrist. Christ always wanted all men to come to Him. Christ spoke of behavior and where that behavior came from. Your hatred of the Jews comes from the Devil who also hated the Jews. Not only are you judging which we are told not to do but you speak against the chosen people.

[Bowman]

This is a gross misinterpretation of what Jesus was teaching. It is an interpretation of man; it is not an interpretation witnessed to or confirmed by the Holy Spirit. Your interpretation also completely ignores and denies what the OT taught about the children of Israel.

Why don’t you scripturally show us, sister…?

When Paul (while still known as Saul) persecuted the Christians, he thought he was doing what God wanted him to do. Once he had his road-to-Damascus experience, he learned that Jesus WAS the promised Messiah. He didn't start believing in a "different" God; his knowledge about God was added upon. This is why Paul tells us that even though it turns out he was persecuting his God rather than serving Him, he proclaims God's mercy over him because God recognized that Paul was persecuting the Christians in ignorance due to the fact that he had not been able to "see" that the prophesies about the Messiah had been fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Inasmuch as it is due to the blindness of the Jews that the Gospel message could then be taught to the Gentiles, it is no coincidence that God would use a Jew who had been blind to the Truth about Jesus, to become the very Apostle called to teach the Gentiles.

Your interpretation causes mass confusion and contradiction in the Bible. God is not the author of confusion.

Scripture?

There is much more than what I will show you in this post. The Book of Revelation has quite a bit written about the Jews in the end times. Remember, too, that we are taught that "every knee shall bow, and tongue confess" the name of Jesus. This includes Jews - it includes ALL of mankind. See here:

Revelation 5:13 KJV

And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

As a follower of Mormonism, you are mandated to adhere to the following article of your ‘faith’, as thus…

“We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”

Since you quoted the KJ version of this verse, is it safe to say that it has been ‘translated’ correctly?

What ‘criteria’ did you use to make sure that it had been correctly ‘translated’?

Yes He was. However, the Jews were not blinded until AFTER they failed to recognize Jesus when He came in the flesh.

How is it that Moses knew of the Son long before the Jews?

Did the recipe somehow get lost?

Because they had their free agency to do so. All of us sin, and we continue to sin regardless of whether or not we believe in God. We sin because we are not yet able to completely do God's Will. We are not able to do so while we are in the flesh. This is what Paul was talking about when he tells us how he needed to repent daily; although his spirit was in God's camp, his body was not. He still made choices in accordance with the flesh which caused him to require to repent every day.....he was unable to change his body's desires. He could only change what his spirit wanted - which was to follow Christ. When the Holy Spirit "changes" us, it is our spirit that is being changed; not our physical body. He that has ears, let him hear.

Everything I have spoken of is in the Bible and was there long before Joseph Smith was ever born. The LDS are not the only ones who disagree with you. I never believed as you do; even though I was raised a Lutheran.

Scripture?

You never specifically addressed my question on if you think you are better than a Jew, though your words would have me believe that you do think yourself superior. Now you are presenting remarks which hold you and your beliefs above me and my beliefs, as well.

Yes.

This is taught against by Jesus and His Apostles.

Where, specifically?

The joy a person receives with the knowledge that Jesus Christ is our Beloved Savior and Redeemer who lives is one that brings us the desire to keep His commandments. This includes the desire to be able to learn how to love all others and to be at peace with them - even as Christ brings peace to our spirit. Your words are filled with anger toward others, and superiority about yourself and your beliefs. Like the rest of us, you struggle with the influences of the physical world. Look beyond the physical. As the Holy Spirit guides and directs us to all truth, our attachment to this world will help us to see each other literally in a new light.

Best regards,

jo

You are the only one using this term, sister.

[Bowman]

The Jews worship the God of Jacob and Joseph and Abraham and Issac. I would be honored to worship with any Jew anywhere. Your hatred of the Jews has nothing to do with who they worship. We are all children of God even atheist should be welcome to sit at our table. Your messages here are antichrist. Christ always wanted all men to come to Him. Christ spoke of behavior and where that behavior came from. Your hatred of the Jews comes from the Devil who also hated the Jews. Not only are you judging which we are told not to do but you speak against the chosen people.

You are the only one repeatedly using this term, brother.

[franktalk]

You are the only one repeatedly using this term, brother.

May the love of God fill you so there is no room for anything else.

[Bowman]

May the love of God fill you so there is no room for anything else.

Would this be the LDS 'god'...or the Biblical God?

[franktalk]

Would this be the LDS 'god'...or the Biblical God?

It would be the God who made the Universe.

[Bowman]

It would be the God who made the Universe.

What is His name?

[franktalk]

What is His name?

I prefer the one I do not know yet.

[Bowman]

I prefer the one I do not know yet.

What does scripture say His name is, brother?

Or.....don't you study scripture?

[franktalk]

What does scripture say His name is, brother?

Or.....don't you study scripture?

Revelation 19:12 (King James Version)

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

This is the name I refer to.

[Bowman]

Revelation 19:12 (King James Version)

12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

This is the name I refer to.

The very next verse tells us His name, brother.

'The Word of God'.

So....you believe that Jesus Christ created the Universe.

[jo7241974]

The very next verse tells us His name, brother.

'The Word of God'.

So....you believe that Jesus Christ created the Universe.

Your interpretation causes contradiction. Jesus has already been revealed as the Word of God previous to the Revelation which John received. Verse 19:13 is there so that WE know who is being referred to. This verse is NOT revealing the name that only Jesus knows is His.

Best regards,

jo

[Bowman]

Your interpretation causes contradiction. Jesus has already been revealed as the Word of God previous to the Revelation which John received. Verse 19:13 is there so that WE know who is being referred to. This verse is NOT revealing the name that only Jesus knows is His.

Best regards,

jo

There is no contradiction in scripture, sister.

Otherwise Smith would have 'corrected' it, remember?

How is it that your brother understands that Jesus created the Universe?

[jo7241974]

There is no contradiction in scripture, sister.

Otherwise Smith would have 'corrected' it, remember?

How is it that your brother understands that Jesus created the Universe?

Correct; there is no contradiction in scripture. Yet you have presented one yourself through the interpretation you just gave about Rev 19:12-13. You are either unwilling or are unable to see it.

Jesus did create our world. He did what He had seen the Father do. Jesus is also the God of Abraham whom the Jews have failed to recognize is their Messiah, Savior and Redeemer. We see in Revelation that Jesus will receive the deed to the earth. He will also receive the keys over death and hell. By keeping Father's commandments, in being the Creator of our world, in accomplishing Father's will concerning the Plan of Salvation, and through Jesus' sacrifice and Atonement for Father's spirit children, Father is going to give the earth to Jesus. Satan will be removed as the prince and god of this world, and will be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone. Jesus will then reign as the Lord and the God of this world forever and ever; and rightfully so.

Best regards,

jo