Have we found artifacts from the early church?

[Sparko]

To reiterate, I will shred the little books no matter which dating technique is applied!

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If you hadn't noticed, the consensus is that the plates are a fraud. So go for it.

[Sparko]

What method is used to determine the approximate age of the various Ages such as the Ice Age, for instance?

organic material embedded in existing glaciers, atmospheric gases trapped in the ice, as well as studying geological strata that shows ice damage at known intervals of time.

[rogue06]

What method was used to determine the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Shroud of Turin?

The Dead Sea Scrolls were almost all written on parchment (animal skins) though a few are on papyrus (plant material), and the Shroud of Turin is linen (made of flax -- more plant material). If you may notice none of those are rock.

[showmeproof]

What method was used to determine the age of the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Shroud of Turin?

The Shroud of Turin is a cloth made from Flax fibrels. Flax is a plant. Carbon dating is applicable to organic matter.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were dated by the papyrus. Papyrus is a plant. Carbon dating is applicable to organic matter. There were other things like pottery etc. that helped date the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The texts in question...what are they called?....are made from lead and copper which is pretty cool. Carbon dating is inapplicable to them unless they happen to open one of the sealed books and it has a flattened flower or other plant material it is highly unlikely that they will be dated using carbon-14.

[showmeproof]

The Dead Sea Scrolls were almost all written on parchment (animal skins) though a few are on papyrus (plant material), and the Shroud of Turin is linen (made of flax -- more plant material). If you may notice none of those are rock.

Ah! you posted whilst I was typing. But ditto.

[showmeproof]

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If you hadn't noticed, the consensus is that the plates are a fraud. So go for it.

Can you point me to where you read that? It would be a shame if they are. I was hoping to have some fun stuff to discuss.

[One Bad Pig]

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If you hadn't noticed, the consensus is that the plates are a fraud. So go for it.

Peter Thonemann of Oxford is willing to stake his career on their being a fraud. If you're going to forge something, it would probably make it more difficult to detect if you actually know something about what you're trying to fake.

[yo lunch]

organic material embedded in existing glaciers, atmospheric gases trapped in the ice, as well as studying geological strata that shows ice damage at known intervals of time.

And of course, no stones or vegetation are in the ice?

[yo lunch]

The Shroud of Turin is a cloth made from Flax fibrels. Flax is a plant. Carbon dating is applicable to organic matter.
The Dead Sea Scrolls were dated by the papyrus. Papyrus is a plant. Carbon dating is applicable to organic matter. There were other things like pottery etc. that helped date the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The texts in question...what are they called?....are made from lead and copper which is pretty cool. Carbon dating is inapplicable to them unless they happen to open one of the sealed books and it has a flattened flower or other plant material it is highly unlikely that they will be dated using carbon-14.

Thank you for the info. I stand corrected. However, it still does not negate my initial point!

[rogue06]

Can you point me to where you read that? It would be a shame if they are. I was hoping to have some fun stuff to discuss.

Peter Thonemann on the Lead Codices

Lead Codices Silliness

Heavy metal secrets from a Mid-East cave

Lead Tablets? Come on.

[rogue06]

And of course, no stones or vegetation are in the ice?

What part of "organic material embedded in existing glaciers" was beyond your level of comprehension?

[yo lunch]

What part of "organic material embedded in existing glaciers" was beyond your level of comprehension?

Then, you got MY point! It still stands!

[Sparko]

And of course, no stones or vegetation are in the ice?

vegetation would be "organic" you dip. and any rocks in the ice could not help with the dating, other than by studying the strata which they came from.

Think of it this way, most rocks would have already existed long before the ice engulfed them, so how would even knowing the age of the rock tell you when the ice came? If a 1 billion year old rock was found in a glacier, that doesn't mean that the ice age happened 1 billion years ago.

[Hamster]

is fire organic. .. confirm/deny.. ?

[One Bad Pig]

is fire organic. .. confirm/deny.. ?

Good question. Mineral is not, so that leaves fire, water, and/or spirit.