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  • Originally posted by Jorge View Post
    In my study of modern Bible versions one version that I used was written by a PhD in Greek lexicography. In her view the God of Scripture wholly accepts the lifestyles of homosexuals, transvestites, transsexuals, bisexuals, and so on. This PhD "biblical scholar" claims to be "a full Christian". Do you agree with her? Do you think GOD would agree with her?
    And if you knew a bit of history you would know that one of the main reasons that the Puritans emigrated to America was that they were not comfortable remaining in a church whose leader was widely reported to be homosexual. This leader was King James, the head of the Church of England and the patron of your own favorite Bible translation, the KJV.
    "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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    • Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
      And if you knew a bit of history you would know that one of the main reasons that the Puritans emigrated to America was that they were not comfortable remaining in a church whose leader was widely reported to be homosexual. This leader was King James, the head of the Church of England and the patron of your own favorite Bible translation, the KJV.
      Jorge is probably relying on the new-n-improved KJV sans the Apocrypha the pederast ordered in there and the translators' note which blows the idea that their work should be taken as infallible out of the water.
      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

      Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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      • Originally posted by Jorge View Post
        Biblical Creationism (aka "YEC) is fully biblical - in fact, it is the ONLY fully biblical position that I am aware of. And yes, I am aware of all other biblical positions - there are literally hundreds of them, all man-created, of course.
        YEC believe their view is fully Biblical. Or they would not hold that part of their view.

        Do you or do you agree or disagree that death existed prior to the fall of man? A key issue.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
          And if you knew a bit of history you would know that one of the main reasons that the Puritans emigrated to America was that they were not comfortable remaining in a church whose leader was widely reported to be homosexual. This leader was King James, the head of the Church of England and the patron of your own favorite Bible translation, the KJV.
          Jorge readily tosses the KJV under the bus in favor of what he deems inferior versions whenever the latter can be better used to support his YEC beliefs. After all, for Jorge, it is YEC that matters most of all.

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          • Originally posted by Jorge View Post
            I knew it, I knew it, I knew it! I can collect on my bet!
            Not if past behaviour is any indication.
            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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            • I am fairly agnostic on the age of the earth. I tend to believe the universe is 15 Billion years old and the earth is 4 Billion but I would not be surprised to be wrong. I also believe in the literal story of Genesis although I don't know if the "days" are 24 hour periods or not, saying "there was evening and morning, the x day" seems to say it was. I don't believe in evolution, but again I am not opposed to being wrong. My and Jorge's beliefs on the topic are fairly close, I am just not dogmatic about it.

              Yet according to him, I am not a Christian because I dare question his tactics and dogmatism.

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              • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Not if past behaviour is any indication.
                For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                Maybe he's broke, and needed to hit on another bet before he could pay out yours.

                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  I am fairly agnostic on the age of the earth. I tend to believe the universe is 15 Billion years old and the earth is 4 Billion but I would not be surprised to be wrong. I also believe in the literal story of Genesis although I don't know if the "days" are 24 hour periods or not, saying "there was evening and morning, the x day" seems to say it was. I don't believe in evolution, but again I am not opposed to being wrong. My and Jorge's beliefs on the topic are fairly close, I am just not dogmatic about it.

                  Yet according to him, I am not a Christian because I dare question his tactics and dogmatism.
                  I am sure you have seen the quote from Origen (about 220 CE)
                  "What intelligent person will suppose that there was a first, a second and a third day, that there was evening and morning without the existence of the sun and moon and stars? Or that there was a first day without a sky?"

                  - as quoted in the Philocalia

                  That argument has been going on for a very long time.

                  rossum

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                  • Looks like Jorge ran out of steam.

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                    • Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                      Looks like Jorge ran out of steam.
                      From the smell I always assumed he was powered by natural gas.

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                      • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                        From the smell I always assumed he was powered by natural gas.
                        Isn't natural gas odourless? IIRC they add the odour so that you can detect gas leaks. Perhaps peat-burning?
                        Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                        MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                        MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                        seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                          Isn't natural gas odourless?
                          Not from where Jorge's gas originates.

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                          • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                            Not from where Jorge's gas originates.
                            Same orifice as yours?
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Same orifice as yours?
                              You must be thinking of the odor which wafts off your brain matter and out your mouth.

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                              • Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View Post
                                You must be thinking of the odor which wafts off your brain matter and out your mouth.
                                I appreciate your confirmation of my hypothesis. It is a Jorge-worthy response.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                                Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                                I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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