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    The problem and myths of Calcium, diet and suppliments

    One of the greatest misuses of science is in food science in large part due to industry misinformation promoting their own economic interests. Our excessive intake of dairy products, too much animal protein combined with Calcium supplements that cause a lot of health problems particularly among women, which can be easily avoided. I will follow up with sources on this problem in the next posts. I am in a hurry and have to go out now, and just wanted to get this thread started.
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    The comparison between non-dairy and dairy cultures reveals some interesting facts about the metabolism of Calcium and the relationship to osteporosis.

    Source: http://www.rocketswag.com/retirement/senior-health/elderly-disease/osteoporosis/Osteoporosis-In-Non-Dairy-Cultures.html



    Osteoporosis In Non Dairy Cultures

    In non-dairy culture osteoporosis is very rare, it virtually does not exist. Whereas in dairy consuming cultures osteoporosis is very common. Calcium is essential for maintaining healthy and strong bones. Dairy products like milk and foods made from milk are most common source of calcium.

    According to new research conducted at the Harvard University for 12 long years, which involve 78,000, nurses, demonstrated clearly that the more dairy products you consume, the higher rate of bone fracture and fragile bones you will experience. In fact, in countries where non-dairy culture is prevalent the calcium levels in their diet are found to be lowest, and consequently bone diseases and bone fracture rates are also the lowest.

    Dairy products are rich in protein and low in phosphorous this leads to an increase urinary excretion of calcium. So the calcium you get from milk and milk related products passes away from your urine. There are several theories suggesting that our artificially treated milk and other dairy products are not digested the way it should be. Dairy products are generally acidic in nature. These leads to shift in your body’s pH which has to be in balanced condition. Your body does this by extracting calcium from your skeleton. As it is clear from the facts that dairy products will actually lead to increase risk of osteoporosis.

    If you feel that you need more calcium than your needs then take calcium supplements in your diet or try to eat more leafy vegetables like spinach and broccoli or fruits such as oranges, kale, collard greens, bok choy or coconut water. Milk and milk products are not the only sources of calcium. Other calcium rich foods that are low in saturated fat include calcium treated tofu and cooked dried beans. Foods that are fortified with added calcium, such as soy milk, juices, cereals and pasta are also excellent sources of calcium.

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    I know to some evolution is a bad word, but humans evolved without dairy products other than natural human milk. Lactose intolerance is the norm in humanity. About 12,000 years ago, beginning in Turkey, the dairy cultures across Europe Turkey and Eurasia developed a gene that allowed humans to drink milk all their lives. The non-dairy cultures of the world remained dominantly lactose intolerant to some degree, later developed. These other cultures developed dairy later and to a lesser degree, and fermented there milk product to remove lactose.

    Also, as agriculture and dairy cultures developed human health deteriorated:

    Source: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/evolution_of_lactose_tolerance_why_do_humans_keep_drinking_milk.html


    There are no written records from the period when humans invented agriculture, but if there were, they would tell a tale of woe. Agriculture, in Jared Diamond's phrase, was the “worst mistake in human history.” The previous system of nourishment—hunting and gathering—had all but guaranteed a healthy diet, as it was defined by variety. But it made us a rootless species of nomads. Agriculture offered stability. It also transformed nature into a machine for cranking out human beings, though there was a cost. Once humans began to rely on the few crops that we knew how to grow reliably, our collective health collapsed. The remains of the first Neolithic farmers show clear signs of dramatic tooth decay, anemia, and low bone-density. Average height dropped by about 5 inches, while infant mortality rose. Diseases of deficiency like scurvy, rickets, beriberi, and pellagra were serious problems that would have been totally perplexing. We are still reeling from the change: Heart disease, diabetes, alcoholism, celiac disease, and perhaps even acne are direct results of the switch to agriculture.

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    demonstrated clearly that the more dairy products you consume, the higher rate of bone fracture and fragile bones you will experience.
    I have not had a high-dairy diet since I was probably 10.

    Was diagnosed with osteoporosis about 5 years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I have not had a high-dairy diet since I was probably 10.

    Was diagnosed with osteoporosis about 5 years ago.
    One case anecdote does not count as evidence.

    Not a high dairy diet? How much dairy products did you consume on average since you were ten?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    One case anecdote does not count as evidence.

    Not a high dairy diet? How much dairy products did you consume on average since you were ten?
    Per day? Maybe one glass of milk, and not as much as that since my late teens. I rarely eat cheese, nor milk, nor yogurt, although since my diagnosis I have upped my dairy, mostly with yogurt. Now I drink almond milk instead of dairy. Gave up on the yogurt even several months ago.

    I am not lactose intolerance, just don't like dairy.


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    I drink milk every day, put cheese on a bunch of stuff & butter my bread.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Well, I do use a little cream in my coffee, and I do use butter, but not in significant amounts to add to my dairy calcium intake.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    One of the greatest misuses of science is in food science in large part due to industry misinformation promoting their own economic interests. Our excessive intake of dairy products, too much animal protein combined with Calcium supplements that cause a lot of health problems particularly among women, which can be easily avoided. I will follow up with sources on this problem in the next posts. I am in a hurry and have to go out now, and just wanted to get this thread started.
    *emphasis mine


    Just asking for clarification here because I'm not sure I am following this correctly. Were the articles you posted supports for this part of the argument or are you arguing that taking calcium supplements also causes health problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    I drink milk every day, put cheese on a bunch of stuff & butter my bread.
    Perhaps that's why you are like you are.

    (but, yeah, me too --- long ago abandoned 'chemical butter' for the real thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    *emphasis mine


    Just asking for clarification here because I'm not sure I am following this correctly. Were the articles you posted supports for this part of the argument or are you arguing that taking calcium supplements also causes health problems?
    And the article (at least the part quoted) is not at all clear or straight forward. What exactly is the argument?
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