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    I left that out in Post #9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Perhaps that's why you are like you are.
    Eating a lot of dairy products makes me the epitome of ness? Yeah, I guess it is possible.

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    Americans have an epidemic lack of vitamin D.

    That alone can be the cause of weak bones since Vitamin D is essential for Calcium to work in making new bone.

    I doubt it has to do with dairy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Americans have an epidemic lack of vitamin D.

    That alone can be the cause of weak bones since Vitamin D is essential for Calcium to work in making new bone.

    I doubt it has to do with dairy.
    I had to start taking D supplements when I was diagnosed and had to double them 2 years ago.


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    I am still waiting for a clear concise expression of the actual argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jedidiah View Post
    I am still waiting for a clear concise expression of the actual argument.
    "Dairy bad."

    I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    *emphasis mine


    Just asking for clarification here because I'm not sure I am following this correctly. Were the articles you posted supports for this part of the argument or are you arguing that taking calcium supplements also causes health problems?
    Yes. This is one source, others will be cited. The current research recommends people maintain a balenced diet without Calcium supplements. The problem is what is a balanced diet. The old food triangle high in dairy and meat protein is not recommended. What is recommended is lower meat protein, and dairy, and higher in vegetables and vegetable protein as natural Calcium sources. Also eliminate high glycemic carbs such as sugar, white flour, potatoes, white rice, and corn.

    Source: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/calcium_supplements_may_damage_the_heart


    After analyzing 10 years of medical tests on more than 2,700 people in a federally funded heart disease study, researchers at Johns Hopkins Medicine and elsewhere conclude that taking calcium in the form of supplements may raise the risk of plaque buildup in arteries and heart damage, although a diet high in calcium-rich foods appears be protective.

    In a report on the research, published Oct. 10 in the Journal of the American Heart Association, the researchers caution that their work only documents an association between calcium supplements and atherosclerosis, and does not prove cause and effect.

    But they say the results add to growing scientific concerns about the potential harms of supplements, and they urge a consultation with a knowledgeable physician before using calcium supplements. An estimated 43 percent of American adult men and women take a supplement that includes calcium, according the National Institutes of Health.

    “When it comes to using vitamin and mineral supplements, particularly calcium supplements being taken for bone health, many Americans think that more is always better,” says Erin Michos, M.D., M.H.S., associate director of preventive cardiology and associate professor of medicine at the Ciccarone Center for the Prevention of Heart Disease at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “But our study adds to the body of evidence that excess calcium in the form of supplements may harm the heart and vascular system.”

    The researchers were motivated to look at the effects of calcium on the heart and vascular system because studies already showed that “ingested calcium supplements — particularly in older people — don’t make it to the skeleton or get completely excreted in the urine, so they must be accumulating in the body’s soft tissues,” says nutritionist John Anderson, Ph.D., professor emeritus of nutrition at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill’s Gillings School of Global Public Health and a co-author of the report. Scientists also knew that as a person ages, calcium-based plaque builds up in the body’s main blood vessel, the aorta and other arteries, impeding blood flow and increasing the risk of heart attack.

    The investigators looked at detailed information from the Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis, a long-running research project funded by the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute, which included more than 6,000 people seen at six research universities, including Johns Hopkins. Their study focused on 2,742 of these participants who completed dietary questionnaires and two CT scans spanning 10 years apart.

    The participants chosen for this study ranged in age from 45 to 84, and 51 percent were female. Forty-one percent were white, 26 percent were African-American, 22 percent were Hispanic and 12 percent were Chinese. At the study’s onset in 2000, all participants answered a 120-part questionnaire about their dietary habits to determine how much calcium they took in by eating dairy products; leafy greens; calcium-enriched foods, like cereals; and other calcium-rich foods. Separately, the researchers inventoried what drugs and supplements each participant took on a daily basis. The investigators used cardiac CT scans to measure participants’ coronary artery calcium scores, a measure of calcification in the heart’s arteries and a marker of heart disease risk when the score is above zero. Initially, 1,175 participants showed plaque in their heart arteries. The coronary artery calcium tests were repeated 10 years later to assess newly developing or worsening coronary heart disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Americans have an epidemic lack of vitamin D.

    That alone can be the cause of weak bones since Vitamin D is essential for Calcium to work in making new bone.

    I doubt it has to do with dairy.
    Here in Finland it's quite common for dairy producers to add vitamin D to the milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    I had to start taking D supplements when I was diagnosed and had to double them 2 years ago.
    Vitamin D deficiency is most common among couch potato closet and cave dwellers in today's culture. Naturally Vitamin D is made in the skin from exposure to the sun.

    As with people of the Northern latitudes the best natural source of Vitamin D is sea fish like Salmon, sardines, and Cod.

    The problems of Calcium in the unbalanced diet with too much dairy and land animal protein is not directly related to Vitamin D issues. European cultures with a high incidence of osteoporosis have a relatively high consumption of sea fish like cod and sardines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    Here in Finland it's quite common for dairy producers to add vitamin D to the milk.
    same here.

    I think the lack of vitamin D has to do with people being indoors all the time, and being deathly afraid of being in the sun and getting skin cancer. So even when they go outside they cover up, or use heavy sun block. The result is low vitamin D since your body makes it in response to sunlight.

    My doctor just told me that I have low vitamin D too! and I have to start taking 2000 IU per day. My job keeps me indoors during daylight hours. And I have never been much of an outdoor guy on the weekends.

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