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The problem and myths of Calcium, diet and suppliments
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Originally posted by Teallaura View Post*emphasis mine
Just asking for clarification here because I'm not sure I am following this correctly. Were the articles you posted supports for this part of the argument or are you arguing that taking calcium supplements also causes health problems?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAmericans have an epidemic lack of vitamin D.
That alone can be the cause of weak bones since Vitamin D is essential for Calcium to work in making new bone.
I doubt it has to do with dairy.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI had to start taking D supplements when I was diagnosed and had to double them 2 years ago.
As with people of the Northern latitudes the best natural source of Vitamin D is sea fish like Salmon, sardines, and Cod.
The problems of Calcium in the unbalanced diet with too much dairy and land animal protein is not directly related to Vitamin D issues. European cultures with a high incidence of osteoporosis have a relatively high consumption of sea fish like cod and sardines.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostHere in Finland it's quite common for dairy producers to add vitamin D to the milk.
I think the lack of vitamin D has to do with people being indoors all the time, and being deathly afraid of being in the sun and getting skin cancer. So even when they go outside they cover up, or use heavy sun block. The result is low vitamin D since your body makes it in response to sunlight.
My doctor just told me that I have low vitamin D too! and I have to start taking 2000 IU per day. My job keeps me indoors during daylight hours. And I have never been much of an outdoor guy on the weekends.
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Vitamin D deficiency is most common among couch potato closet and cave dwellers in today's culture. Naturally Vitamin D is made in the skin from exposure to the sun.
I avoid the sun because I had several bad burns as a child and went through treatment for pre-cancerous skin issues several years ago. I've worn sunscreen when I'm outside for 40 years.
how dare you suggest that people who avoid the sun are couch potatoes and live in closets and caves?
I don't know what you are trying to point out in this thread, Frank, other than to push some sort of vegan lifestyle, so I'm out of here.
I expressed my own situation which is different from the study in your op, so there is nothing more for me to say.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostThat is such an insulting statement.
I avoid the sun because I had several bad burns as a child and went through treatment for pre-cancerous skin issues several years ago. I've worn sunscreen when I'm outside for 40 years.
how dare you suggest that people who avoid the sun are couch potatoes and live in closets and caves?
I don't know what you are trying to point out in this thread, Frank, other than to push some sort of vegan lifestyle, so I'm out of here.
I expressed my own situation which is different from the study in your op, so there is nothing more for me to say.
Nonetheless, it is a valid description of the health problem of the prevailing diet and life style of American culture.
If you have read my posts, I never advocated a vegan diet and life style, in fact I consider the vegan diet misguided, unscientific, and unhealthy. I have only advocated a reduced dairy and animal protein, eliminate high glycemic carbs, eliminate Calcium supplements, and increase vegetables in our diet. Take an observant stroll through a supermarket some time, and you will find that 70% or more of the products are dominated by high glycemic carb content. Industry promotes it because it is the cheapest food, highest profit margin, and by the way addictive. It is the most popular legal cocaine drug of choice in America. Vitamin and supplement department most often have 50 or types of Calcium supplements.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-16-2017, 11:09 AM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour taking personal my statements of a very real problem in western society that developed over the centuries. My statements are of course not a generalization that fits all people, and like yourself there are people who do not fit this unfortunate cultural problem.
Nonetheless, it is a valid description of the health problem of the prevailing diet and life style of American culture.
If you have read my posts, I never advocated a vegan diet and life style, in fact I consider the vegan diet misguided, unscientific, and unhealthy. I have only advocated a reduced dairy, animal protein, high glycemic carbs, eleminate Calcium suppliments, and increased vegetables in our diet. Take stroll through a supermarket some time, and you will find that 70% or more of the products are dominated by high glycemic carb content. Industry promotes it because it is the cheapest food, and by the way addictive.
I think I will listen to him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostMy doctor told me to eat more meat and dairy (specifically yogurt)
I think I will listen to him.
As far as dairy products go fermented dairy is the best choice.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThat is your choice. I believe my research sources are valid, and there will be more good references.
As far as dairy products go fermented dairy is the best choice.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhen it comes down to a molecular level, calcium is calcium no matter what the source.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-16-2017, 12:58 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostTrue as the sky is Carolina blue on a clear 4th of July at noon, except there are about 12 isotopes of Calcium, but not the issue concerning problems of Calcium metabolism in humans.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwell I would think that mammal milk would contain the correct type of calcium for mammals to build bones with, since that is the purpose of having calcium in milk in the first place. Whereas, calcium in plants is made for plants to use.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postwhen it comes down to a molecular level, calcium is calcium no matter what the source.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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