Thread: Fallen angels and demons
April 10th 2011, 03:56 PM #1
Fallen angels and demons
A while back someone shared a perspective about the nature of fallen angels and demons, They were differentiating between the two and indicating that they believed these were two seperate types of spirits. The fallen angels being the powers and principalities or governmental agents of satan and the demons being fallen spirits of a differant nature.
I don't see much detailed information about angels in the scriptures either OT or NT. Glimses of them scattered throughout. Usually relaying a message or carrying out a task . Interacting with various individuals such as Abraham , Jacob ,Daniel and a few others. Sometimes sent to carry out judgements.Such as the angel of death during the plagues in Egypt or destruction of Sodom etc. The demons activity recorded in the NT accounts seem to deal with cases of possesion. Bizarre behavior usually violent and erratic is exhibited. I have talked to people who were involved in various ministries who shared personal experiences dealing with demonic posession and deliverance as well as eye witnesses. I have personally seen a couple situations that defied logical explaination.
My question is what are your thoughts on this? Are demons differant then the fallen angels? Why would a fallen angel choose to inhabit a physical being anyway? Why cause such bizarre behavior and draw attention to themselves ? Just trying to get a handle on this issue.Not really into studying occult stuff but this has caused me to think about this issue some.
May 11th 2013, 10:41 AM #2
Re: Fallen angels and demons
The Fallen angels pop up first and formost in Genesis. They are said to have found the daughters of men attractive , and then they take physical human bodies for themselves. Then they "Take" the women (implying that they had little choice in the matter) to have sex with them.
These women then give birth to the Nephelim, Giants....the men of renown. (Renown for there extream violence).
So the Fallen Angels are not good,and they are not human.
At this time the Angels come and go between hevan.. there home, and Earth .. our home. On multiple occassions they speak with God about the fact that they have been roving around on the earth.
It could be implied that through narrative that The Devil is the leader or controler of this group and that again through narrative it is implied that this group is made up of considerably older angels or another way of considering this is that the the Devil and the Fallen are some of the first angels God created
May 11th 2013, 01:16 PM #3
Re: Fallen angels and demons
I believe that in Genesis 6, it was the fallen angels who procreated with human woman. That this mingling is what caused God's judgement. I think the nephilim are the reason why we have so many ancient stories such as Greek mythology. So it is my belief that the nephilim were half human and half angel. After the flood, the body died but their immortal spirit side remained. They are left to roam the earth. Demons or devils as they are called throughout the NT are always indwelling, possessing, or trying to inhabit a body. I think this is due to them previously having their own physical body and wishing to have one again. Angels can materialize as they wish as with Abraham, at the tomb, the ascension, etc.
Also, in Matthew 8 and Luke 8, we know there can be multiple demons in a person, they know Yahshua (Jesus) is the Son of God and that there is apparently an appointed time for God to deal with them.
In Luke 8, they request to not be cast into the deep. The word 'deep', is the same word as 'bottomless pit' throughout Revelation. I would point to Revelation 9:3, that the pit is opened and what are called locusts appear. These locusts torment such as all demons in scripture. But they can only torment those who do not have the seal of God.
In conclusion, I would say that demons are real, that they try to torment, and possess us and they should not be taken lightly. We all should be aware of the battle raging in the spiritual side or our reality, and not shy away from it.
I do not believe them to be the same as angels. They have different agendas, characteristics, and mode of operations. And demons are somewhat limited in their capabilities. Also, I would encourage you to gain any insight you can into any biblical matters if you feel you are led to. I do not believe we should be afraid of topics because they seem to be 'occultic'. The word for demon or 'devils' is used over 60 times in the NT alone, so it was a great concern in biblical times and even more so now. God calls all His people to fulfill different purposes. Just be sure to seek Him in prayer, and His protection and that His Spirit seals your heart. And ask not to be misled. God Bless
May 11th 2013, 09:24 PM #4
Re: Fallen angels and demons
The Book of Enoch states that the fallen angels had intercourse with the females (both human and animal females), and the offspring brought about human (and animal) giants. It also states that the offspring were both physical and spiritual. The physical offspring are the human and animal giants, which includes giants of every variety, including dinosaurs and giant beetles, etc (what is called the Jurassic Age). The spiritual offspring are the "evil spirits."
"And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.
God BlessMay the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Where there is discord may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. Where there is despair, may we bring hope.
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May 13th 2013, 05:50 AM #5
Re: Fallen angels and demons
Well put. However the "Angels" that did such things do not have there powers revoked until latter in the bible. Therefore narrative dictates that there ability to transform back to angelic state is still available to them when there physical forms are destroyed by the flood. What is interesting is that the time scale is not mentioned as being important. But by reading Genesis or the book of Adam as it is also part known. We do get an actual idea of the time approx 8000 -10000 years......thats longer than the present human "intelligent" life has existed.....Should we not consider that there is a story to be told that was "pre history". That there was a very long period of time where man angels and half angel half men existed side by side with full knowledge of each other.
I think we can , based on scripture , agree with out too much argument that there are a group of "Angels" that do not follow gods ideas...and that as such we are in the firing line...However i am sure that there are rules . If there was no rules and these angelic beings were given free range to destroy us...i think they could with out to much bother.
God proclaims that we ...humans...will not be tested beyond what we can endure....and that if we are directly addresed by the opposition...we just need to call on him. i think that is important to understand .
I love the book of Enoch it reads like the first draft of Star wars!.....But it was removed from the bible. Why?....If as the scripture says that "all the bible is beneficial for teaching for reproving and for setting things straight" and that "all scripture is inspired by god"... and that book was left out .......maybe it was deliberately misleading....and then you have to ask who would want to deliberatelymislead us?...
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