View Poll Results: Should fraternities be shut down
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Yes, they are a beacon of institutionalized male oppression
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Yes, they drive up tuition costs for no discernible benefit
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Yes, they are a beacon of institutionalized modern liberal hedonism
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No, they are a beacon of institutionalized social interaction
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No, they are good preparation for being a part of an organization
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Did the rapist save the world? (Dan Barker option)
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April 25th 2011, 03:26 PM #1
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Male - ChristianShould fraternities be shut down?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...354071470.html
This person at the WSJ tries to make the case that they should. I agree, but I think the arguments she offers are awful stereotypical feminist crap."Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
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April 25th 2011, 03:40 PM #2
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Male - ChristianRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
This is Ultra-Feminist crap. Perhaps she would like secret Fraternities better.
Maybe Sororities could be shut down as havens for Ultra-liberal Fems.
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April 25th 2011, 04:15 PM #3
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Male - AgnosticRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
No, because then frat types would be in the regular dorms. No one wants that.
"'tis usual for men to use words for ideas, and to talk instead of thinking in their reasonings." A Treatise of Human Nature, I.II.V.
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April 25th 2011, 04:45 PM #4
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Male - ChristianRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
The frat types are the only ones who would stay in a dorm to begin with.
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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April 26th 2011, 01:12 PM #5
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Male - ChristianRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
Actually, why not? College is pretty much becoming just another girl thing anyway. Let them ban men while they're at it. The sooner young men get out of the massively overpriced and underdelivering 'higher' education system and into the real workforce without a debt millstone around their neck to pull down their market value during their prime dating years, the better.
I propose guilds and trade unions as a useful and less expensive frat alternative.In reaction to Richwine Affair, all right-thinking people are quick to proclaim that they don’t believe in a genetic basis for IQ. They’re much less quick to explain – with any sort of precision – what they actually do believe in. At best, we’re treated to some hand-waving paired with the phrase “social construct.”.
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April 26th 2011, 03:43 PM #6
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Male - <(' '<)Re: Should fraternities be shut down?
I think i agree with this statement.
Originally posted by Seasanctuary
Especially when you read that opening paragraph about the poor girl that was raped. I like the idea of being able to point my hypothetical daughter at a fraternity and saying "Do not go in there or any place like it." You start spreading those out, it gets harder to avoid the problem.
What's the term I'm trying to think of... "isolation & containment" perhaps?
EDIT: Wait a second...
I've heard this stat before... and remember someone pointing out the flaw with it. I'll see if I can find it.Last edited by Challenger Grim; April 26th 2011 at 03:50 PM.
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April 26th 2011, 03:59 PM #7
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Male - <(' '<)Re: Should fraternities be shut down?
Ok, this comment on the article did crack me up.
Fraternity boys -- the Salem witches of the 21st Century.I propose guilds and trade unions as a useful and less expensive frat alternative.
What? I actually agree with Epo on something?"One develops a cool and ironic sense of bitter humor, as well as a bloated ego, and this personality characteristic is the defining trait of atheists ancient and modern. If there is a meek and humble atheist or sorcerer brimming with the milk of human kindness, I have yet to meet him." -John C Wright
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.”"
— Robert A. Heinlein
"America's political system used to be about the pursuit of happiness. Now More and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
"The government cannot love you, and any politics that works on a different assumption is destined for no good."
"Government money only pays for the "liberties" the government thinks you should have, and therefore it can determine how you exercise them. That turns liberties into privileges dispensed at the whim of the state."
— Jonah Goldberg
Virgins get tossed into Volcanoes because sinners have the majority vote.
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April 26th 2011, 05:05 PM #8
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Male - JudaismRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
I don’t see how her numbers back up her conclusions. Her data is that: Originally posted by Darth Executor
First, the statistic for one in five women being assaulted doesn’t mention whether the people that did the assaulting were in a fraternity. If I remember that statistic, one of the biggest components was date rape. If that’s correct, then getting rid of frats won’t affect that statistic. Second, she said that over a quarter of victims that were incapacitated reported that the assailant was a frat member. That means that just under 75% of the assailants are not frat members.A 2007 National Institute of Justice study found that about one in five women are victims of sexual assault in college; almost all of those incidents go unreported. It also noted that fraternity men—who tend to drink more heavily and frequently than nonmembers—are more likely to perpetrate sexual assault than nonfraternity men, according to previous studies. Over a quarter of sexual-assault victims who were incapacitated reported that the assailant was a fraternity member.
If she just wants to ban fraternities, then sororities must be banned as well. However, if she wants to eliminate all sexual assaults, then her own data does not support her conclusion that fraternities are to blame.Micah 6:6. With what shall I come before the Lord, bow before the Most High G-d? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with yearling calves? 7. Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with myriad streams of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8. He has told you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord demands of you; but to do justice, to love loving-kindness, and to walk discreetly with your G-d.
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April 26th 2011, 05:20 PM #9
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Male - ChristianRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
You've agreed with me far more often than you've liked me. Separate your emotions from your logic more assiduously, please.What? I actually agree with Epo on something?In reaction to Richwine Affair, all right-thinking people are quick to proclaim that they don’t believe in a genetic basis for IQ. They’re much less quick to explain – with any sort of precision – what they actually do believe in. At best, we’re treated to some hand-waving paired with the phrase “social construct.”.
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April 26th 2011, 05:54 PM #10
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Male - <(' '<)Re: Should fraternities be shut down?
Yeah, imagine how much further you'd get if you were less of a... jerk.You've agreed with me far more often than you've liked me. Separate your emotions from your logic more assiduously, please.
Of course, I generally disagree with you on degrees. You seem to trend toward blaming a lot of problems on women whereas I think just as many men are to blame. That it's human nature at fault, not anything particularly masculine or feminine."One develops a cool and ironic sense of bitter humor, as well as a bloated ego, and this personality characteristic is the defining trait of atheists ancient and modern. If there is a meek and humble atheist or sorcerer brimming with the milk of human kindness, I have yet to meet him." -John C Wright
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.”"
— Robert A. Heinlein
"America's political system used to be about the pursuit of happiness. Now More and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
"The government cannot love you, and any politics that works on a different assumption is destined for no good."
"Government money only pays for the "liberties" the government thinks you should have, and therefore it can determine how you exercise them. That turns liberties into privileges dispensed at the whim of the state."
— Jonah Goldberg
Virgins get tossed into Volcanoes because sinners have the majority vote.
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April 26th 2011, 06:00 PM #11
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Male - ChristianRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
Can we not have yet another Epo Contra Mundum thread please?
"Years ago, I mean decades ago, I read a quote about politicians performing quid pro quo favors for campaign cash, and whether or not we could prove it. The guy who was quoted opined that it was difficult to determine. He noted that in many cases, the payoff might not take the form of votes on legislative action -- those might be detectable, and so are avoided -- but could take subtler forms, like the question that is never asked at a hearing.
The media's doing a terrific job of not asking questions it doesn't want to know the answer to. It doesn't ask these questions in bulk, and the great volume of questions it doesn't ask makes it cheap to not ask questions.
And it passes these savings on to you, the customer." Ace
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April 26th 2011, 06:14 PM #12
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Male - <(' '<)Re: Should fraternities be shut down?
Yes, dad. :shame: Originally posted by Darth Executor
"One develops a cool and ironic sense of bitter humor, as well as a bloated ego, and this personality characteristic is the defining trait of atheists ancient and modern. If there is a meek and humble atheist or sorcerer brimming with the milk of human kindness, I have yet to meet him." -John C Wright
"Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded- here and there, now and then- are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.”"
— Robert A. Heinlein
"America's political system used to be about the pursuit of happiness. Now More and more of us want to stop chasing it and have it delivered."
"The government cannot love you, and any politics that works on a different assumption is destined for no good."
"Government money only pays for the "liberties" the government thinks you should have, and therefore it can determine how you exercise them. That turns liberties into privileges dispensed at the whim of the state."
— Jonah Goldberg
Virgins get tossed into Volcanoes because sinners have the majority vote.
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April 26th 2011, 09:42 PM #13
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Male - AtheistRe: Should fraternities be shut down?
I disagree a lot with the article, simply because the prevalence of misogyny in fraternities isn't a symptom of fraternities, it's a symptom of the prevalence of misogyny in our culture. I don't think abolishing fraternities would change anything.
It's due to the open-ended nature of the questions asked in the survey. The one in four/five statistic is nowhere near precise, it's an estimation derived from one survey. Originally posted by Challenger Grim
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