Jews allowed to marry three year old girls

[Tanakh Keeper]

When I come to the Judaism Forum on TWEB and ask a question related to Judaism, I expect to hear from Jews. Do you understand?

That's a problem with this website. Every Christian thinks they are experts in Judaism, when in fact, almost all are ignorant of Judaism. Since posting of false information isn't against forum rules, you'll get a lot of garbage responses.

I'm only aware of three knowledgeable posters of Judaism on this website: myself, Salty, and Chavak.

Another poster recommended the MessiahTruth.yoku.com website. That's good advice. The moderators on that website are very knowledgeable about Judaism (some are even rabbis), they read and speak Hebrew as their native language, and they don't allow false information about Judaism to be posted.

[rogue06]

That's a problem with this website. Every Christian thinks they are experts in Judaism, when in fact, almost all are ignorant of Judaism. Since posting of false information isn't against forum rules, you'll get a lot of garbage responses.

I'm only aware of three knowledgeable posters of Judaism on this website: myself, Salty, and Chavak.

Another poster recommended the MessiahTruth.yoku.com website. That's good advice. The moderators on that website are very knowledgeable about Judaism (some are even rabbis), they read and speak Hebrew as their native language, and they don't allow false information about Judaism to be posted.

Still wonder why you bother to post here since you only seem to encourage others to go elsewhere to talk since its such a waste of time to do it here.

[Tanakh Keeper]

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/three.html

However, there is another one:

Shulchan Aruch, Even HaEzer 37:1. in this article:

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/5...html#footnote2

Clip: In ancient (and not so ancient) times however, marriage was often-times celebrated at a rather young age. Although we do not follow this dictum, technically speaking, a girl may be betrothed the moment she is born, and married at the age of three.2 A boy may betroth and marry at the age of thirteen.3

I would appreciate comments on this ruling.

Thanks.

Note that askmoses.org said "We do not follow this dictum". Clearly in context, they are stating that marriage by minors wasn't allowed. Whenever anyone says "technically, I can ...", the person is looking for loopholes that aren't allowed by actual practice.

Here's another link
http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm

In actual practice, marriage is only allowed when both spouses can give consent. A minor can't give consent.

In ancient times, the betrothal (Kiddushin) and consumation (Nisuin) took place at separate times. The betrothal took place when the parties agreed to be married; agreed to the marriage contract. However, the spouse do NOT live together during the betrothal. It isn't until Nisuin that the marital obligations commence and the spouses can live together. Although the betrothal can take place at anytime, Nisiun wasn't allowed until the male was at least 13 and the female was at least 12. The Talmud recommends a man to get married between age 16 and 24.

[Tanakh Keeper]

Still wonder why you bother to post here since you only seem to encourage others to go elsewhere to talk since its such a waste of time to do it here.

If a person wants to learn about Judaism, this site isn't the place. However, the gaming and socializing is great here!

Surely you don't think this site is best at EVERYTHING?

[Christian2]

That's a problem with this website. Every Christian thinks they are experts in Judaism, when in fact, almost all are ignorant of Judaism. Since posting of false information isn't against forum rules, you'll get a lot of garbage responses.

I'm only aware of three knowledgeable posters of Judaism on this website: myself, Salty, and Chavak.

Another poster recommended the MessiahTruth.yoku.com website. That's good advice. The moderators on that website are very knowledgeable about Judaism (some are even rabbis), they read and speak Hebrew as their native language, and they don't allow false information about Judaism to be posted.

Thanks for the advice and comments. I will investigate MessiahTruth.

Do you happen to know the answer to my question?

I just received another one about Isaac marrying Rebecca when she was three years old.

http://viewpoints.utj.org/?p=519

Thanks.

[Tanakh Keeper]

Thanks for the advice and comments. I will investigate MessiahTruth.

Do you happen to know the answer to my question?

I just received another one about Isaac marrying Rebecca when she was three years old.

http://viewpoints.utj.org/?p=519

Thanks.

I provided the answer already.

Also, you should read the links that you post. This rabbi is offering his opinion that Midrash should not be read literally. And he is correct, Midrash are like sermons, used to make a specific point, than to be taken literally. Just in the next paragraph, he says:

There are many human objections to this line of reasoning, first of which is that it is unreasonable. Forty year old men do not marry three-year-olds. Rebecca’s reported speech, answering Eliezer’s questions in consecutive order, is a listening skill that very few adults have mastered, much less a precocious toddler. How many three year old females have the strength to water camels?

[Christian2]

That's a problem with this website. Every Christian thinks they are experts in Judaism, when in fact, almost all are ignorant of Judaism. Since posting of false information isn't against forum rules, you'll get a lot of garbage responses.

I'm only aware of three knowledgeable posters of Judaism on this website: myself, Salty, and Chavak.

Another poster recommended the MessiahTruth.yoku.com website. That's good advice. The moderators on that website are very knowledgeable about Judaism (some are even rabbis), they read and speak Hebrew as their native language, and they don't allow false information about Judaism to be posted.

When I first came to TWEB, I relied on the comments of Gavriel, Yonah and menachem, but they seem to be gone.

[Christian2]

I provided the answer already.

Also, you should read the links that you post. This rabbi is offering his opinion that Midrash should not be read literally. And he is correct, Midrash are like sermons, used to make a specific point, than to be taken literally. Just in the next paragraph, he says:

There are many human objections to this line of reasoning, first of which is that it is unreasonable. Forty year old men do not marry three-year-olds. Rebecca’s reported speech, answering Eliezer’s questions in consecutive order, is a listening skill that very few adults have mastered, much less a precocious toddler. How many three year old females have the strength to water camels?

Yes, I came to conclusion just by reading the Scriptures, but it is not "flying" with the Muslim.

[Tanakh Keeper]

Yes, I came to conclusion just by reading the Scriptures, but it is not "flying" with the Muslim.

So?

[shunyadragon]

Thank you. Can you provide any proof that the marriage is not consummated until they she is older?

I have to wonder how anyone can have sex with a three-year old without killing her -- common sense should tell us there was a waiting period.

There is no proof either way. I go mostly what I have read and studied concerning today's betrothal/marriage practices in cultures like India where marriages and betrothals often occur at an early age for both the bride and the groom.

I have done some reading on the history of Jewish traditions, but I will defer to the Jews who post here that have been some good suggested sources for Jewish traditions that would clarify their practices.

[Xru]

Originally posted by Christian2 When I come to the Judaism Forum on TWEB and ask a question related to Judaism, I expect to hear from Jews. Do you understand? Yes. Your point?

Christian2 . . . are you implying that you don't want Christians posting in this thread?