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What is "anti-science"?
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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by Joel View PostOkay, and the questioning can come first and lead to the learning. So even that is not a prerequisite to questioning. And what you say here is different from the claim of yours that we are discussing: that if the questioner does not provide evidence to support his skepticism, then that makes him anti-science. Unless I'm misunderstanding your claim.
If I have done so it is certainly not intentional. .
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostShow us the scientific tests that prove that Julius Caesar was murdered. And please replicate them and let us know the results. M'kay? Thanks.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Joel View PostA person's descriptions of what they did and what they observed is exactly what testimony is. It may be very detailed and accurate testimony of exactly what they did and how they did it and precisely what they observed. It may very well be detailed enough that readers could repeat the same steps.Obviously you and perhaps others are using a different definition of "testimony". If so, please make it clear what definition you are using.
It is not unknown for creation advocates and other frauds to try to create equivalence between their unsupported pseudoscientific pronouncements and the well-evidenced scientific consensus, by dismissing the detailed work of scientists as mere opinion.
Those attempts are indistinguishable from your posts.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Joel View PostThe reason I'm asking is that it seems much more plausible that they think it's true. (And I bet if I ask them they'll say they think it is true.)
Or you could read this thread, where Jon Sarfati was asked about his use of a notorious quote-mine - and tried to shift the blame.
Or you could ask Jorge if this never-retracted cite of his is true:
"One part of Dima was 40,000, another part was 26,000 and the "wood immediately around the carcass" was 9-10,000. --Troy L. Pewe, Quaternary Stratigraaphic Nomenclature in Unglaciated Central Alaska, Geological Survey Professional Paper 862 (U.S. Gov. printing office, 1975)Last edited by Roy; 06-01-2017, 06:47 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is your post that made the claim I responded to, unless there was a strong element of sarcasm. I agree with Tassman that the faith and trust in science is very very different from the faith and trust in Theism. In science the faith and trust in the methodology that is supported by objective evidence and consistent. This is very much absent in Theistic metaphysical beliefs.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostTypical Sparko avoidance tactic!
Why are Christians so devious? Oh I know they have no substantive argument to support their salvation fantasies.
The historical-critical methodology employed by historians is quite different from scientific methodology except incidentally as per carbon-dating etc.
This is testimony. But unlike scientific "testimony" there is no body of tested experiments available for anyone to replicate, it is merely subjective (some would say delusional) persobal experience.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
oh so you ADMIT that historical events are not subject to the scientific method of testing and repeatability? So your objection in your previous post was just a distraction.
The same can be said for all historical facts according to your parameters. History cannot be tested or replicated so according to you all of history is just "subjective (some would say delusional) persobal experience."Last edited by Tassman; 06-01-2017, 08:30 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostShuny, your reading comprehension is horrible.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt is your writing comprehension that is not only questionable, but very foggy if you do not mean what you say.
What is 'anti science'?
Donald TrumpMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThere's nothing to "admit". You've made a 'category error'. Our knowledge of historical events is subject to a different methodology than the scientific one.
Straw man! Historical-critical methodology has its own criteria for assessing the accuracy of the historical record. It is not subjective, you're confusing the historical method with faith and trust in Theism.
"But unlike scientific "testimony" there is no body of tested experiments available for anyone to replicate"
You have destroyed your previous argument once again.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo then why were you making this ignorant argument against the historic evidence for our faith?
"But unlike scientific "testimony" there is no body of tested experiments available for anyone to replicate"
You have destroyed your previous argument once again.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou have all missed the shortest and the most concise answer to the question of the op:
What is 'anti science'?
Donald TrumpGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostJoel the Troll seems to have taken a stroll. How droll.
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