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  • #16
    Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
    I think you can agree that Muslims have varying commitment to their faith and that is the point here.
    The degree of commitment is a matter of the heart---and there is no way for others to know the degree of commitment a person has---only God knows. Therefore, lists that categorize a Muslim's commitment to their faith is only subjective speculation---and shoddy as well.

    Consider this,---gather a group of married men to evaluate their commitment to their spouse, and make 3 categories---ordinary, committed, and orthodox---then go on to speculate that...
    Ordinary men practice romance but not anything difficult. They just want to live ordinary lives.
    Committed men, make a great effort, they call their wives 5 times a day, give roses, and do all the things a romance guide requires them to do. They are not violent---but can cross the line anytime their loved ones are threatened.
    Orthodox men---bearded men who are committed to their wives but want romance the way the ancients did it.

    exactly what use is such a list? its all abstract speculation that is unrelated to reality---and if some married men happen to fit one of these categories---its more of a hit or miss....
    Human beings grow and change over time, sometimes we progress and sometimes we regress....we are complex with many motivations and aspirations---that is the reality.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by siam View Post
      The degree of commitment is a matter of the heart---and there is no way for others to know the degree of commitment a person has---only God knows. Therefore, lists that categorize a Muslim's commitment to their faith is only subjective speculation---and shoddy as well.

      Consider this,---gather a group of married men to evaluate their commitment to their spouse, and make 3 categories---ordinary, committed, and orthodox---then go on to speculate that...
      Ordinary men practice romance but not anything difficult. They just want to live ordinary lives.
      Committed men, make a great effort, they call their wives 5 times a day, give roses, and do all the things a romance guide requires them to do. They are not violent---but can cross the line anytime their loved ones are threatened.
      Orthodox men---bearded men who are committed to their wives but want romance the way the ancients did it.

      exactly what use is such a list? its all abstract speculation that is unrelated to reality---and if some married men happen to fit one of these categories---its more of a hit or miss....
      Human beings grow and change over time, sometimes we progress and sometimes we regress....we are complex with many motivations and aspirations---that is the reality.
      Gabriel's list is a general list. Of course God only knows. Notice Gabriel did not mention names.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by siam View Post
        The degree of commitment is a matter of the heart---and there is no way for others to know the degree of commitment a person has---only God knows.
        Interesting that you should choose 'married men' as an example. But let's go with that, for grins. If a number of those men were to treat their wives like chattel property instead of partners in marriage, God would not be the only one seeing it. And, if some of those men were to beat their wives, others could know that, as well. Not "only God".

        Quran (4:34) - "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

        Quran (38:44) - "And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with it, and do not break your oath..." (Allah telling Job to beat his wife (Tafsir)).
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
          Yes, Gabriel calls them secular Muslims.

          The US has all types of Muslims.

          When discussing Islam with Muslims I think it is more important to know what Islam teaches, rather than what a certain Muslim thinks.
          Agreed. And Islam teaches conversion by the sword.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • #20
            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
            Agreed. And Islam teaches conversion by the sword.
            Yes, it does.

            We can see that when Jew Maimonides was in Spain. He was given the choice of leaving, converting to Islam or dying.

            We can also see this here: http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Houthis-to...men-422604

            And, if it had not been for Muslim aggression, there never would have been the Crusades.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              If a number of those men were to treat their wives like chattel property instead of partners in marriage, God would not be the only one seeing it. And, if some of those men were to beat their wives, others could know that, as well. Not "only God".
              Criminal actions by human beings can be seen and therefore interpreted by others---such as law enforcement, courts, judges..etc...and such actions will be dealt with in the justice system. The motivations behind criminal actions may be varied and as intentions/motivations are unseen---cannot be fully determined (except by God) unless the criminal himself honestly admits them.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by siam View Post
                Criminal actions by human beings can be seen and therefore interpreted by others---such as law enforcement, courts, judges..etc...and such actions will be dealt with in the justice system. The motivations behind criminal actions may be varied and as intentions/motivations are unseen---cannot be fully determined (except by God) unless the criminal himself honestly admits them.
                We certainly need more honest criminals!
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  We certainly need more honest criminals!
                  There was a time when it wasn't unheard of for professional crooks to assist police in rooting out rapists, child molesters and serial killers.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    There was a time when it wasn't unheard of for professional crooks to assist police in rooting out rapists, child molesters and serial killers.
                    In a way this still happens online. The hacker community is more than happy to find people involved in child porn trafficking and turn them in.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      There was a time when it wasn't unheard of for professional crooks to assist police in rooting out rapists, child molesters and serial killers.
                      Or "former" burglars to get into the home security business!
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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