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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostYour analogy would have worked if many other countries had already bought their citizens new Volvos to great effect. How can criticism of a system because it is fundamentally based in poor people's lives being valued less than rich people's not be rationalized as "tear jerker arguments" by the self-centered or the gullible? It's a dishonest tactic.
And this isn't a matter of poor people's lives being less valuable, rather, it is about using the poor (not actually caring for them) to justify ridiculous government programs that do more for the oligarchs than they do for the poor. No one here wants poor people to go without healthcare, what we don't want to do is pay $100.00 more in taxes so that $2.00 of it can go to help the poor (stuffing them in sub par VA hospitals and letting them die anyways) while $98.00 goes to line a politicians pocket.
Real Life Example:
I knew a lady in real life who applied for Social Security. She wasn't a fraud, she had all the requisite doctor's paperwork and so forth. It took her three years to get onto Social Security - the poor gal had to beg, borrow, and quite nearly steal to live that long without a job. When she finally got the green light a large portion of her benefits (back pay) went to cover lawyer fees (oh look, there are the rich getting richer) and then the IRS swooped down and took another huge chunk because they'd decided taxes filed 6 years earlier by her deadbeat husband (in jail for molesting children) where bad (1). In short, she died having never received even the tiniest portion due her. That there is a corrupt, vile, evil system enriching the rich all the while piggy backing on the desperately poor.
If you wonder why I don't want my health care turned over to the government look at my friend Holly.
I don't want to spend thousands on lawyers, fighting with faceless bureaucrats for YEARS to get what was promised.
I've seen first hand how the government treats the poor - it is criminal.
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1: The IRS has computerized systems that can validate your tax return in minutes but they hold onto them for 6 years to collect fines/fees/interest. It is another scam by our government to screw us.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostAccording to the Bloomberg Health-Care Efficiency Index, the US is ranked 50 out of 55. I don't think we could have a more inefficient system if we tried.
You'd think the rational response would be: Hey, why doesn't California just put everyone on Meh Gerbil's plan and cut their costs by 50%? The reason that idea never occurs to the blistering idiots in government is because it would not give them the actual power they seek. This isn't about healthcare, it is about control. If it were about healthcare, like I pointed out, I'm already in a plan that can do it for a fraction of the California proposal.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Here is an article about the Free Public Healthcare in Venezuela
President Nicolas Maduro claims Venezuela has the best healthcare in the world after Cuba
But death rates are soaring and hospitals are filthy as supplies run low and electricity is shut off
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4i1saGsqn
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Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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^---- That is my attempt to get Leonhard to blow a gasket.Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101
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Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post^---- That is my attempt to get Leonhard to blow a gasket.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Idiotic Missile View PostA system where people die because they don't have enough money is inferior to a system where people don't die because they don't have enough money.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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In other news, the HHS just reported that Obamacare caused insurance premiums to double across the board.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...der-obamacare/
I like the saying, "If you think health insurance is expensive now, just wait until the government gives it to you for free!"Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm still not convinced that government run healthcare is the right thing. Every objective report I've ever read showed that our healthcare system pre-Obamacare, even with all of its faults, was still superior to most "socialist" healthcare programs.In many ways it was vastly superior.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNot according to the World Health Organisation. It ranked #1 in cost...
the U.S. ranks last [in 2014], as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of [this report]
So their 2014 report isn't really much different to their previous ones in terms of rankings:
I'll note that NZ and the UK are both spending the least and have very very similarly structured single-payer systems, and currently in both countries a significant portion of the electorate thinks the government is currently not spending enough and should increase healthcare spending."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou coulda set your sights on sending Starlight into orbit by claiming the pictures are of a typical abortion provider."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNot according to the World Health Organisation. It ranked #1 in cost...
It can take a bit of digging to get the real stats because countries with government run healthcare have a vested interest in manipulating the numbers to make themselves look better. They really don't want their citizens knowing the truth.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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