Public Health Care

[Psychic Missile]

How about a system where people die no matter how much money they have? An inefficient healthcare system is bad no matter how much it costs.

According to the Bloomberg Health-Care Efficiency Index, the US is ranked 50 out of 55. I don't think we could have a more inefficient system if we tried.

[Sparko]

According to the Bloomberg Health-Care Efficiency Index, the US is ranked 50 out of 55. I don't think we could have a more inefficient system if we tried.

Look at the VA system. It is government run, single payer, blah blah.

[Meh Gerbil]

Your analogy would have worked if many other countries had already bought their citizens new Volvos to great effect. How can criticism of a system because it is fundamentally based in poor people's lives being valued less than rich people's not be rationalized as "tear jerker arguments" by the self-centered or the gullible? It's a dishonest tactic.

So the poor people for whom you aren't buying Volvos, are their lives just not worth it?

And this isn't a matter of poor people's lives being less valuable, rather, it is about using the poor (not actually caring for them) to justify ridiculous government programs that do more for the oligarchs than they do for the poor. No one here wants poor people to go without healthcare, what we don't want to do is pay $100.00 more in taxes so that $2.00 of it can go to help the poor (stuffing them in sub par VA hospitals and letting them die anyways) while $98.00 goes to line a politicians pocket.

Real Life Example:
I knew a lady in real life who applied for Social Security. She wasn't a fraud, she had all the requisite doctor's paperwork and so forth. It took her three years to get onto Social Security - the poor gal had to beg, borrow, and quite nearly steal to live that long without a job. When she finally got the green light a large portion of her benefits (back pay) went to cover lawyer fees (oh look, there are the rich getting richer) and then the IRS swooped down and took another huge chunk because they'd decided taxes filed 6 years earlier by her deadbeat husband (in jail for molesting children) where bad (1). In short, she died having never received even the tiniest portion due her. That there is a corrupt, vile, evil system enriching the rich all the while piggy backing on the desperately poor.

If you wonder why I don't want my health care turned over to the government look at my friend Holly.
I don't want to spend thousands on lawyers, fighting with faceless bureaucrats for YEARS to get what was promised.
I've seen first hand how the government treats the poor - it is criminal.



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1: The IRS has computerized systems that can validate your tax return in minutes but they hold onto them for 6 years to collect fines/fees/interest. It is another scam by our government to screw us.

[Meh Gerbil]

According to the Bloomberg Health-Care Efficiency Index, the US is ranked 50 out of 55. I don't think we could have a more inefficient system if we tried.

Given that my current healthcare costs about $20K for a family of four and California wants to provide the same service via single payer for $40K per year - well, it appears it is going to get much worse.

You'd think the rational response would be: Hey, why doesn't California just put everyone on Meh Gerbil's plan and cut their costs by 50%? The reason that idea never occurs to the blistering idiots in government is because it would not give them the actual power they seek. This isn't about healthcare, it is about control. If it were about healthcare, like I pointed out, I'm already in a plan that can do it for a fraction of the California proposal.

[Sparko]

Here is an article about the Free Public Healthcare in Venezuela

President Nicolas Maduro claims Venezuela has the best healthcare in the world after Cuba
But death rates are soaring and hospitals are filthy as supplies run low and electricity is shut off

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz4i1saGsqn


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[Meh Gerbil]

Anonymouse sources tell me this is a typical hospital in Denmark:

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[Meh Gerbil]

^---- That is my attempt to get Leonhard to blow a gasket.

[rogue06]

^---- That is my attempt to get Leonhard to blow a gasket.

You coulda set your sights on sending Starlight into orbit by claiming the pictures are of a typical abortion provider.

[Leonhard]

^---- That is my attempt to get Leonhard to blow a gasket.

Fun fact, Denmark has an island named Lolland. Look it up.

[Mountain Man]

A system where people die because they don't have enough money is inferior to a system where people don't die because they don't have enough money.

"How about a little fire, Scarecrow?"

[Mountain Man]

In other news, the HHS just reported that Obamacare caused insurance premiums to double across the board.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...der-obamacare/

I like the saying, "If you think health insurance is expensive now, just wait until the government gives it to you for free!"

[Roy]

I'm still not convinced that government run healthcare is the right thing. Every objective report I've ever read showed that our healthcare system pre-Obamacare, even with all of its faults, was still superior to most "socialist" healthcare programs.

Not according to the World Health Organisation.

In many ways it was vastly superior.

It ranked #1 in cost...

[Starlight]

Not according to the World Health Organisation. It ranked #1 in cost...

And the other major international analysis was the Commonwealth Report on healthcare in 11 OECD nations:

the U.S. ranks last [in 2014], as it did in the 2010, 2007, 2006, and 2004 editions of [this report]

So their 2014 report isn't really much different to their previous ones in terms of rankings:



I'll note that NZ and the UK are both spending the least and have very very similarly structured single-payer systems, and currently in both countries a significant portion of the electorate thinks the government is currently not spending enough and should increase healthcare spending.

[Starlight]

You coulda set your sights on sending Starlight into orbit by claiming the pictures are of a typical abortion provider.

You're thinking of Jaecp. I care so little about abortion I could barely bring myself to write this post.

[Mountain Man]

Not according to the World Health Organisation. It ranked #1 in cost...

I did mention I was referring to objective sources. One of the problems with the WHO report is that it basically lets each country self-report using whatever criteria it wants. A famous example is infant mortality rates. The US bases its statistics on all births while European countries tend to only considdr full-term pregnancies which makes their mortality rates appear lower.

It can take a bit of digging to get the real stats because countries with government run healthcare have a vested interest in manipulating the numbers to make themselves look better. They really don't want their citizens knowing the truth.