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      It's too bad that YHWH has become so well known on television and the internet as Yahweh. Now that it can be pronounced, this name of the creator God looks and sounds like something weird, and just made up. And it easily becomes the butt of word jokes and visual gags. It hasn't any proper dinction, looking and reading like the boring contrived names of countless gods in human history.

      Let's drop the vowels here on tweb forever or/and let's get back to I AM !


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      People mock what they do not understand, so we should just drop it?

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      Quote Originally posted by gharfish View Post
      It's too bad that YHWH has become so well known on television and the internet as Yahweh. Now that it can be pronounced, this name of the creator God looks and sounds like something weird, and just made up. And it easily becomes the butt of word jokes and visual gags. It hasn't any proper dinction, looking and reading like the boring contrived names of countless gods in human history.

      Let's drop the vowels here on tweb forever or/and let's get back to I AM !
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      Neither matters. There is neither a W sound in Hebrew nor the word "am".
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      Quote Originally posted by Teluog View Post
      So today, how do Jews pronounce "G-d"? Do they skip the vowel when they speak as well? If not, why not, that is, why omit a letter in writing but not in speaking the divine Name?
      Some Jews speak it as 'Gee dash Dee’ and others speak it as if the letter O was there. As I said in the OP:
      “Over time our sages have provided additional guidance for this commandment.”
      I don't know their reasoning in all the additional guidance.
      Micah 6:6. With what shall I come before the Lord, bow before the Most High G-d? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with yearling calves? 7. Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with myriad streams of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8. He has told you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord demands of you; but to do justice, to love loving-kindness, and to walk discreetly with your G-d.

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      Quote Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      People mock what they do not understand, so we should just drop it?
      I said we should write it as YHWH or I AM and be stubborn about keeping them at that. And while you cannot say YHWH without the vowel sounds, you can throw mocking people off by prononcing the letters phonetically. You can say I AM. It has a certain something that the so very many names of various pagan gods throughout human history do not. I like that about God's name for himself.


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      Quote Originally posted by gharfish View Post
      Let's drop the vowels here on tweb forever or/and let's get back to I AM !
      Thing is, we can use all those words to address or refer to Him, but in fact we don't know His name, or if He even has one. "I Am", from which the tetragrammaton comes, is not a name, it's a statement of existence. I don't think He has a name, nor needs one, just like he has no form that we can replicate in an image.

      I use "G-d" in conversation here because it's convenient to type and readily understood. But I don't like the word's association and usage for pagan gods, like Zeus or Ra, as it implies similarity where there is absolutely no similarities at all. I prefer "The Creator" (or, to be consistent, "The Cr--t-r").
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