Why won't a Christian denounce the Bible as false?

[OtherCheek]

But the Christ he bore testimony is not the Christ of the bible, but of mormonism. Another God, one of many. and according to Young, the Son of Adam. Even YOU don't believe that Jesus was the son of Adam, do you? So he was preaching a different gospel and a different Christ from what even YOU believe.

Galatians 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Sparko, do you know the difference between day and night? Do you have confidence that you are able to discern the difference between daytime and nighttime?

[Sparko]

Sparko, do you know the difference between day and night? Do you have confidence that you are able to discern the difference between daytime and nighttime?

how about an honest answer to how you determine whether you are experiencing the truth of God or the deception of the devil? You have already admitted that you can be fooled, and apparently so can your Prophets, like Young. How was he unable to know the difference between day and night?

and honest answer instead of spiritual jargon, please. This is a debate forum, so let's debate.

[OtherCheek]

how about an honest answer to how you determine whether you are experiencing the truth of God or the deception of the devil? You have already admitted that you can be fooled, and apparently so can your Prophets, like Young. How was he unable to know the difference between day and night?

and honest answer instead of spiritual jargon, please. This is a debate forum, so let's debate.

Do you think that giving an answer as to whether or not you can discern daytime from night time will paint you in a corner? It seems obvious to me. But if you don't have that ability, then there is no use talking any more.

I gave a good example to Hamster in the "testimony" thread. It's an analogy using plants.

[Sparko]

Do you think that giving an answer as to whether or not you can discern daytime from night time will paint you in a corner? It seems obvious to me. But if you don't have that ability, then there is no use talking any more.

I gave a good example to Hamster in the "testimony" thread. It's an analogy using plants.

I already told you how I do it, OC. I compare anything I "feel" the Spirit is telling me to what God has already revealed in the bible. If the two conflict, then I know that I am fooling myself.

there, see? simple and straight forward.

Your turn.

your answer to Hamster was just more spiritual gobbledygook.

Give us a straight forward answer on how you determine if what you think the Spirit is revealing to you is true or if you are being deceived.

[Sparko]

Hey I figured out how Brigham Young was deceived into believing the Adam/God doctrine...

I think these preliminaries will satisfy me, and I feel prepared to take my
text; it is the words of Jesus Christ, but where they are in the Bible I
cannot tell you now, for I have not taken pains to look at them. I have had
so much to do, that I have not read the Bible for many years. I used to be a
Bible student; I used to read and study it, but did not understand the
spirit and meaning of it;
Oct. 8, 1854
Sermon from General Conference

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Adam-God/message/10

[Teluog]

I already told you how I do it, OC. I compare anything I "feel" the Spirit is telling me to what God has already revealed in the bible. If the two conflict, then I know that I am fooling myself.

there, see? simple and straight forward.

Your turn.

your answer to Hamster was just more spiritual gobbledygook.

Give us a straight forward answer on how you determine if what you think the Spirit is revealing to you is true or if you are being deceived.

Careful, Sparko. If OC were smart enough, he would ask how you can tell that the Bible is true. And OC could say that he measures what he feels lead to what the BoM says.

[Sparko]

Careful, Sparko. If OC were smart enough, he would ask how you can tell that the Bible is true. And OC could say that he measures what he feels lead to what the BoM says.

If the bible isn't true, then we are ALL just fooling ourselves. The bible has many evidences that it is true though, and we have gone through those in other threads, like consistency, fulfilled prophecies, historical verification, etc.

The BoM has none of that, and it conflicts with the older book, the Bible. If OC wants to use the BoM as his basis and throw away the bible, and then use the Spirit to say it confirms the BoM, then he is just arguing in a circle.

[Teluog]

If the bible isn't true, then we are ALL just fooling ourselves. The bible has many evidences that it is true though, and we have gone through those in other threads, like consistency, fulfilled prophecies, historical verification, etc.

But Sparko, you are just relying on evidence! And evidence has nothing to do with testimony!

[Sparko]

But Sparko, you are just relying on evidence! And evidence has nothing to do with testimony!

since when did you become a mormon?

[OtherCheek]

I already told you how I do it, OC. I compare anything I "feel" the Spirit is telling me to what God has already revealed in the bible. If the two conflict, then I know that I am fooling myself.

there, see? simple and straight forward.

Your turn.

your answer to Hamster was just more spiritual gobbledygook.

Just because your focus is entirely on the argument instead of actual understanding. But you still didn't answer if you were able to discern the daylight from the dark night. Day time from night time.

I find that curious to say the least.

Give us a straight forward answer on how you determine if what you think the Spirit is revealing to you is true or if you are being deceived.

I open my eyes. And there is a spiritual counterpart for that too.

Seeing as your whole focus is on an argument, I'm not surprised when you ask me how I know the Spirit is revealing truth, while at the same time telling me not to mention the Spirit itself in my answer.

Are you really unable to discern the daytime from the nighttime?

[Sparko]

Just because your focus is entirely on the argument instead of actual understanding. But you still didn't answer if you were able to discern the daylight from the dark night. Day time from night time.

I find that curious to say the least.



I open my eyes. And there is a spiritual counterpart for that too.

Seeing as your whole focus is on an argument, I'm not surprised when you ask me how I know the Spirit is revealing truth, while at the same time telling me not to mention the Spirit itself in my answer.

Are you really unable to discern the daytime from the nighttime?

more spiritual gobbletygook.

This is a debate website, if you are unable to discuss things openly without resorting to jargon, then just say so and go somewhere else.

But I am hoping you will just answer plainly.

How do you test your spiritual feelings to see if they are true or not? You have already said it is possible for you to be deceived. So that means a possibility that you might not be able to distinguish between experiencing the true Holy Spirit and just imagining you have experienced the Holy Spirit. So what is your method of testing to see if it is the true Holy Spirit and not your imagination? I answered you plainly. Please do the courtesy of doing the same with me.

Thank you.

[OtherCheek]

more spiritual gobbletygook.

This is a debate website, if you are unable to discuss things openly without resorting to jargon, then just say so and go somewhere else.

But I am hoping you will just answer plainly.

How do you test your spiritual feelings to see if they are true or not? You have already said it is possible for you to be deceived. So that means a possibility that you might not be able to distinguish between experiencing the true Holy Spirit and just imagining you have experienced the Holy Spirit. So what is your method of testing to see if it is the true Holy Spirit and not your imagination? I answered you plainly. Please do the courtesy of doing the same with me.

Thank you.

I will assume that you are unable to distinguish the daytime from the nighttime.

My method starts with recognizing the difference between the daytime from the nighttime. Then recognizing the difference between spiritual light and spiritual darkness.

But if you are only interested in your debate points, and can't understand such an analogy, then I guess this conversation is over.

Thanks anyway.

[Cow Poke]

I will assume that you are unable to distinguish the daytime from the nighttime.

You would be better off to assume that Sparko just doesn't want to play your games, OC --- I think he's just trying to get a straight answer.

Here, lemme try this --- OC -- when it is dawn or dusk, is it "daylight" or is it "dark"? And, please, no kabuki dancing or spiritual pshychobabble....

dawn -- daylight or dark?
dusk -- daylight or dark?

[Sparko]

I will assume that you are unable to distinguish the daytime from the nighttime.

My method starts with recognizing the difference between the daytime from the nighttime. Then recognizing the difference between spiritual light and spiritual darkness.

But if you are only interested in your debate points, and can't understand such an analogy, then I guess this conversation is over.

Thanks anyway.

the conversation never got started since you won't answer plainly.

My conclusion is that you have no way to distinguish between the Holy Spirit and a counterfeit.

[Sparko]

You would be better off to assume that Sparko just doesn't want to play your games, OC --- I think he's just trying to get a straight answer.

Here, lemme try this --- OC -- when it is dawn or dusk, is it "daylight" or is it "dark"? And, please, no kabuki dancing or spiritual pshychobabble....

dawn -- daylight or dark?
dusk -- daylight or dark?

He is just trying to deflect us away from him not answering by running down another rabbit trail.

Once he gives me a plain answer, then we can discuss how I determine daylight from night.