Pat Robertson: Muslims are the New Nazis

[Cu Mhorrigan]

oh yeah, I forgot you people pretend Hitler was an Atheist gotcha. Even though Hitler made several speeches about his belief in divine providence and how he was doing the work of Jesus...He even had the support of Pastors and priests in Germany. and yes he did target athiests as well as Communists. He needed religious people since they were easier to control.

[Darth Executor]

Show me a single person here who claimed Hitler is an atheist. While at it, show me he targeted "atheists". The only people he targeted based simply on their religion were Jews. Cretin.

[Cu Mhorrigan]

atheism is not a religion it is simply a denial of the belief in god(s).

My Mistake, Atheists were not Specifically targeted:they were just among the groups Hitler DID target.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hol...Jewish_victims

Slavs
Ethnic Poles
Ethnic Serbs and other south Slavs
East Slavs
Soviet POW's
Romani
Disabled and Mentally Ill
Homosexuals
The Political Left
FreeMasons
Jehovah's Witnesses

[rogue06]

oh yeah, I forgot you people pretend Hitler was an Atheist gotcha. Even though Hitler made several speeches about his belief in divine providence and how he was doing the work of Jesus...He even had the support of Pastors and priests in Germany. and yes he did target athiests as well as Communists. He needed religious people since they were easier to control.

Going to repost my response to "wiki monkey" when he started claiming that Hitler was Christian:

I think like many politicians both past and present Hitler spoke out of both sides of his mouth and invoked God's name in order to gain support. He patronized Christianity to prevent having to fight the Christian-based church. As Anton Gill noted in his An Honourable Defeat: A History of German Resistance to Hitler, 1933-1945:

"For his part, Hitler naturally wanted to bring the church into line with everything else in his scheme of things. He knew he dare not simply eradicate it: that would not have been possible with such an international organization, and he would have lost many Christian supporters had he tried to. His principal aim was to unify the German Evangelical Church under a pro-Nazi banner, and to come to an accommodation with the Catholics."

But as he grew in power his anti-Christian remarks increased in frequency as he began to see Christianity as a threat to the Nazi’s domination of Germany.

"It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood," he said in 1933. His countrymen would have to make a choice: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both." In the same year he is supposed to have told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."

In the next couple years Hitler started arguing that Christian worship was a sign of weakness, and that it should be replaced by reverence for the nation and the state (the latter two embodied by the Nazi Party of course).

According to Albert Speer (the Nazi Minister of Armaments from 1942 to 1945, who served as Hitler's main architect before this period), in his Inside the Third Reich, at the conclusion of speculating on history Hitler often remarked:

“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness….

Another telling quote comes from Allan Bullock’s A Study in Tyranny, who cites Hitler as saying:

"I'll make these damned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible. For the moment, I am just keeping my eye upon them: if I ever have the slightest suspicion that they are getting dangerous, I will shoot the lot of them. This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews."

One of the primary sources for the evidence revealing Hitler’s increasingly anti-Christian rhetoric and sentiment would have to be the controversial Table Talk. From it we get such gems as

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains”

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death”

“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity ... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity”

"I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie . . . Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity”

In it he apparently accepted a largely Nietzschean explanation of Christianity as being a conspiracy of the Jews for a slave revolt against their Roman conquerors:

"Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society”

But as they say, actions speak louder than words. When Germany invaded Poland in September 1939, members of the clergy were specially targeted. For instance, in West Prussia two-thirds of the 690 parish priests were rounded up with only those that fled escaping. After only a month in custody 214 of those priests were executed while by the end of 1940 only 20 (about 3.5%) were left in their parishes.

Further, according to testimony presented by several top Nazi officials including Albert Speer, Hermann Göring, Martin Bormann, Ernst Kaltenbrunner and Alfred Rosenberg at the Nuremberg Trials, the Nazi’s had a plan to eliminate Christianity altogether.

You might find this, The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches put together by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), the predecessor of the CIA, an interesting read.

Rational Gaze made many of the same points HERE

[Cu Mhorrigan]

Sorry rogue, but Hitler was a christian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...eligious_views

[Darth Executor]

Going to repost my response to "wiki monkey" when he started claiming that Hitler was Christian:

Pointless. Cu thinks Adolf "Honest Injun" Hitler was Christian because he said so in some speeches. That's not the type of stupid you cure with facts.

[Darth Executor]

Sorry rogue, but Hitler was a christian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_H...eligious_views

"Adolf Hitler's religious views have been a matter of dispute. "

[Cu Mhorrigan]

Here are some more of Hitler's Remarks:
http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm
Quotations from Mein Kampf

Volume 1, Chapter 1, In the House of My Parents



Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Note: "Their sword will become our plow" appears to paraphrase Micah 4:3 about beating swords into ploughshares, but his tears of war more resembles Joel 3:9-10 "Beat your plowshares into swords."



I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one's nationality.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna



Fate must bring retribution, unless men conciliate Fate while there is still time. How thankful I am today to the Providence which sent me to that school!

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Thus my faith grew that my beautiful dream for the future would become reality after all, even though this might require long years.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The more the linguistic Babel corroded and disorganized parliament, the closer drew the inevitable hour of the disintegration of this Babylonian Empire, and with it the hour of freedom for my German-Austrian people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Not until my fourteenth or fifteenth year did I begin to come across the word 'Jew,' with any frequency, partly in connection with political discussions.... For the Jew was still characterized for me by nothing but his religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I maintained my rejection of religious attacks in this case as in others. Consequently, the tone, particularly that of the Viennese anti-Semitic press, seemed to me unworthy of the cultural tradition of a great nation.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought.

At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

(Note: Karl Lueger (1844-1910) belonged as a member of the anti-Semitic Christian Social Party, he became mayor of Vienna and kept his post until his death.)



The man and the movement seemed 'reactionary' in my eyes. My common sense of justice, however, forced me to change this judgment in proportion as I had occasion to become acquainted with the man and his work; and slowly my fair judgment turned to unconcealed admiration. Today, more than ever, I regard this man as the greatest German mayor of all times.

-Adolf Hitler speaking about Dr. Karl Lueger of the Christian Social Party (Mein Kampf)



How many of my basic principles were upset by this change in my attitude toward the Christian Social movement!

My views with regard to anti-Semitism thus succumbed to the passage of time, and this was my greatest transformation of all.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Volume 1, Chapter 3 General Political Considerations Based on My Vienna Period



A man does not die for something which he himself does not believe in.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The Western democracy of today is the forerunner of Marxism which without it would not be thinkable. It provides this world plague with the culture in which its germs can spread.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Just as a man's denominational orientation is the result of upbringing, and only the religious need as such slumbers in his soul, the political opinion of the masses represents nothing but the final result of an incredibly tenacious and thorough manipulation of their mind and soul.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Sooner will a camel pass through a needle's eye than a great man be 'discovered' by an election.

-Adolf Hitler with his twist on Mark 10:25 (Mein Kampf)



Thank the Lord, Germanic democracy means just this: that any old climber or moral slacker cannot rise by devious paths to govern his national comrades, but that, by the very greatness of the responsibility to be assumed, incompetents and weaklings are frightened of.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



For by employing religious force in the service of its political considerations, the crown aroused a spirit which at that outset it had not considered possible.

-Adolf Hitler on the state of Rome (Mein Kampf)



For when a people is not willing or able to fight for its existence-- Providence in its eternal justice has decreed that people's end.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



Even less could I understand how the Christian Social Party at this same period could achieve such immense power. At that time it had just reached the apogee of its glory.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



But the power which has always started the greatest religious and political avalanches in history rolling has from time to immemorial been the magic of power of the spoken word, and that alone.

Particularly the broad masses of the people can be moved only by the power of speech.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



The hard struggle which the Pan-Germans fought with the Catholic Church can be accounted for only by their insufficient understanding of the spiritual nature of the people.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

and here:
http://nobeliefs.com/speeches.htm

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922

[Note, "brood of vipers" appears in Matt. 3:7 & 12:34. John 2:15 depicts Jesus driving out the money changers (adders) from the temple. The word "adders" also appears in Psalms 140:3]

Just as the Jew could once incite the mob of Jerusalem against Christ, so today he must succeed in inciting folk who have been duped into madness to attack those who, God's truth! seek to deal with this people in utter honesty and sincerity.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 28 July 1922

In the Bible we find the text, 'That which is neither hot nor cold will I spew out of my mouth.' This utterance of the great Nazarene has kept its profound validity until the present day.

-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 10 April 1923

[The Bible quote comes Jesus speaking in Revelation 3:16]

In the life of nations, what in the last resort decides questions is a kind of Judgment Court of God.... Always before god and the world the stronger has the right to carry through what he wills.

-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 13 April 1923

There are three words which many use without a thought which for us are no catch-phrases: Love, Faith, and Hope.... We are fanatical in our love for our people....

We have faith in the rights of our people, the rights which have existed time out of mind. We protest against the view that every other nation should have rights - and we have none. We must learn to make our own this blind faith in the rights of our people, in the necessity of devoting ourselves to the service of these rights; we must make our own the faith that gradually victory must be granted us if only we are fanatical enough. And from this love and from this faith there emerges for us the idea of hope. When others doubt and hesitate for the future of Germany - we have no doubts. We have both the hope and the faith that Germany will and must once more become great and mighty.

We have faith that one day Heaven will bring the Germans back into a Reich over which there shall be no Soviet star, no Jewish star of David, but above that Reich there shall be the symbol of German labor - the Swastika. And that will mean that the first of May has truly come.

-Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich, 01 May 1923

[Love, Faith, and Hope comes from I Corinthians 13:13 NIV]

People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes. Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for him when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning!

-Adolf Hitler, 04 May 1923

It matters not whether these weapons of ours are humane: if they gain us our freedom, they are justified before our conscience and before our God.

-Adolf Hitler, in Munich, 01 Aug. 1923

And Here:
http://nobeliefs.com/hitlerchristian.htm
Except the Lord build the house, they labour in main that build it: except the Lord keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

-Psalms 127:1

Hitler had familiarity with this verse and saw God as his aid to his German Reich when he said:

Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain.... The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building.... The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life.... The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us.... We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933 [Baynes]

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

-Genesis 1:26

Hitler took this Biblical belief to heart; he held justification for a superior race on the foundation of his belief that man should fit God's image:

A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Genesis Chapter 3 speaks of the expulsion from paradise and Hitler takes notice of this:

...the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

With a belief in the dilution of the races, Hitler prophesied that if no one did anything about the purification of the races, the image of God would decrease:

But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hitler's Biblical beliefs shows clearly where he got the notion for offensive action:

...the world has no reason for fighting in our defense, and as a matter of principle God does not make cowardly nations free...

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Of course we well know that Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews but how many Christians realize that his main justification aimed to protect the image of the Lord?

Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.

And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead.

-Exodus 12:29-30

Although no archeological evidence exists for the Biblical slaughter of first-borns, Hitler actions compare with the Lord's atrocities reported in the Bible. Through eugenics, Hitler killed tens of thousands of children whom he felt did not deserve to live. Not only did first-borns get exterminated, but mid and later-borns as well.

Note that German eugenics did not originate with Hitler. Rather the idea of eugenics as a moral necessity began in the 1920s by theologians who advocated eugenics legislation. Moreover, many German Protestants felt comfortable with the racialist precepts that underlay Nazi eugenicism. This fit in with their belief of physical abnormality as an index of sin, a sign of moral and social degeneration. The Austrian born Hitler simply incorporated the idea that existed within Austrian-German Christians for years. Fully half of all victims of the Nazi's euthanasia action came from church institutions. [Steigmann-Gall]

[Thersites]

Oh. If he meant communists he should have just said so. Pretty sure a lot of western atheists wouldn't appreciate equivocating between the two.

Well, at the time, the intellectual class was still pretty closely allied with Progressive ideas about economics and social reform. It's not difficult to see how people could equivocate early 20th century atheistic humanism and Communism

[rogue06]

As I said, Hitler spoke out of both sides of his mouth and invoked God's name in order to gain support. He had no trouble twisting and distorting Christianity to his ends. But after he gained power he felt less and less obligated to pay lip service toward Christianity and more and more often his real feelings came out.

[Meta Knight]

Cu seems to be of the school of thought that when Hitler was giving speeches and writing his book to attempt to gain support, he was being honest, but when he was speaking in private absent a crowd, he was lying outright.

There is no logic to that position, and it would be best to ignore it.

[Darth Executor]

As I said, Hitler spoke out of both sides of his mouth and invoked God's name in order to gain support. He had no trouble twisting and distorting Christianity to his ends. But after he gained power he felt less and less obligated to pay lip service toward Christianity and more and more often his real feelings came out.

Some of his quotes don't even have anything to do with religion. Cu's just randomly cutting and pasting.

[seanD]

A guy's crotch shot? Try a married politician sending lewd pictures to someone who isn't his wife. Yes, it's important news, it reveals an individual is not trustworthy. I can see how this could distract you from finding the truth about big foot and Area 51 though.

I’ve always been interested in the subject of UFOs. It’s a subject that continues to be picked up by mainstream media, and is discussed by some pretty creditable people such as astronauts, government officials, air force and civilian pilots. As a Christian, I’m of the belief that God is control of the destiny of humanity, so as a Christian, naturally I’d be interested in finding the correlation with this subject. So let’s see here. UFOs and our 4th Amendment? Or some online pic of a dude’s bulge in his boxer shorts?

[Cu Mhorrigan]

I’ve always been interested in the subject of UFOs. It’s a subject that continues to be picked up by mainstream media, and is discussed by some pretty creditable people such as astronauts, government officials, air force and civilian pilots. As a Christian, I’m of the belief that God is control of the destiny of humanity, so as a Christian, naturally I’d be interested in finding the correlation with this subject. So let’s see here. UFOs? Or some online pic of a dude’s bulge in his boxer shorts? I’ll go with the subject of UFOs. But that’s just me. Though it doesn’t surprise me at all that someone like you would try and make that comparison.

The truth is, Darth Caught "the Gay" and he is afraid to admit it.

[Darth Executor]

I’ve always been interested in the subject of UFOs.

Yeah, I know. smug.gif

Congressman revealed to be latent sociopath with no self control vs trailer trash getting beamed onto the Enterprise and probed. Clearly my priorities are the problem. cookiemonster.gif