The 'best' arguments for atheism and Christianity

[37818]

Tyre was indeed rebuilt several times. Your photos document that by far most of the island of Tyre remains above water. The only parts of the Island of Tyre that are now under water are along parts pf the coast on the east side and low small Island of Hercules on the south. How do they know where the ancient city of Tyre is in the main island? Archaeology, which shows the major part of the ancient city and the Temple on the Island of Tyre which I referenced.

I do not think you understand. The land bridge from the coast was built over the ruble of the city of Tyre. Placing the not rebuilt city north of the modern city of Tyre.

[shunyadragon]

I do not think you understand. The land bridge from the coast was built over the ruble of the city of Tyre. Placing the not rebuilt city north of the modern city of Tyre.

No, the land bridge was initially constructed by Alexander in the siege of Tyre. Your silly youtube video does not match the known archaeology of Tyre.

[shunyadragon]

I do not think you understand. The land bridge from the coast was built over the ruble of the city of Tyre. Placing the not rebuilt city north of the modern city of Tyre.

No, the land bridge was initially constructed by Alexander in the siege of Tyre. Your silly youtube video does not match the known archaeology of Tyre. The entire city has been rebuilt several times, and the original city of Tyre has been determined by archaeology, and except for the lowland of the southern Island of Hercules, the main island of Tyre is not under water.

[37818]

No, the land bridge was initially constructed by Alexander in the siege of Tyre. Your silly youtube video does not match the known archaeology of Tyre.

That video says that Alexander was the one who had the land bridge constructed using material of the abandoned Tyre. So specifically what was not true?

[tabibito]

That video says that Alexander was the one who had the land bridge constructed using material of the abandoned Tyre. So specifically what was not true?

Eh? Alexander built a land bridge to attack a city that was still standing across the ruins of that same city?

[Roy]

Well, I still wonder how they know the ruins are there if they remain buried.

Your ignorance is not an argument.

I believe it does, "until recently, the ruins of Tyre above water were few" implies a substantial part of Tyre is underwater.

You persist in quote-mining even after exposed. Jidejian does not say that most of the ruins are underwater, she says the ruins have been removed for use elsewhere.

And you ignored the map I posted, showing a substantial extent to the north.

Because it's a sketch produced today, not a map from historical times.

It could have, or maybe the quarrying was of Roman ruins, etc.

Let's see what your quote above said:

"How was the ancient metropolis of Phoenicia so utterly demolished? Devastated by drawn-out sieges and earthquakes throughout her long history, Tyre from the 18th century onward has served as a ‘quarry’ for the whole coast."

Jidejian was not talking about Roman ruins. You are quote-mining again.

[Roy]

That video says that Alexander was the one who had the land bridge constructed using material of the abandoned Tyre. So specifically what was not true?

Lee claims Ezekiel's prophecied about the island portion of Tyre, and 37818's apologetic claims Ezekiel's prophecied about the mainland portion of Tyre - and both claim the prophecy was fulfilled, while conceding that the alternative reading was not. Quintessential apologetics.

[37818]

Lee claims Ezekiel's prophecied about the island portion of Tyre, and 37818's apologetic claims Ezekiel's prophecied about the mainland portion of Tyre - and both claim the prophecy was fulfilled, while conceding that the alternative reading was not. Quintessential apologetics.

Well, address specifics. What in what Lee argued about the island in the prophecy that is not true? Quote that part of the prophecy Lee used regarding that island.

What is not true in the explanation that I cited?

What is the alternative reading you are referring?

There are two main ways of misreading a text. 1) A denial. 2) Reading into the text.

[37818]

Eh? Alexander built a land bridge to attack a city that was still standing across the ruins of that same city?

Attacked the same people. The cite of the city in the prophecy to be built no more was abandoned when the people of Tyre escaped to the island. So explain what is not true in this regarding the prophecy.

[shunyadragon]

That video says that Alexander was the one who had the land bridge constructed using material of the abandoned Tyre. So specifically what was not true?

Specifically the land bridge was built by Alexander was built during the siege of Tyre. Over the years the Isle of Tyre was added to particularly expanding the land bridge from different sources. Coastal sediment trapped by the initial land bridge also expanded the land bridge.

[37818]

Specifically the land bridge was built by Alexander was built during the siege of Tyre. Over the years the Isle of Tyre was added to particularly expanding the land bridge from different sources. Coastal sediment trapped by the initial land bridge also expanded the land bridge.

So? The location of Tyre when the prophecy was given is now as prophesied.

[shunyadragon]

So? The location of Tyre when the prophecy was given is now as prophesied.

No, the main part of the city was continuously occupied and rebuilt, and occupied continuously like many if not all cities in the Middle East over the millennia.

The main city of Tyre has never been under water. The only part of the city underwater today is the small Island of Hercules on the south end of the Island of Tyre.

Virtually all the port cities of the Mediterranean have been conquered, destroyed, rebuilt again and again, some areas underwater due to rising sea levels due to global warming. Tyre is not remotely considered to unique or different, because of prophecy or any other reasoning.

[37818]

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[lee_merrill]

You persist in quote-mining even after exposed. Jidejian does not say that most of the ruins are underwater, she says the ruins have been removed for use elsewhere.

Actually she also says "until recently, the ruins of Tyre above water were few".

"How was the ancient metropolis of Phoenicia so utterly demolished? Devastated by drawn-out sieges and earthquakes throughout her long history, Tyre from the 18th century onward has served as a ‘quarry’ for the whole coast."

Jidejian was not talking about Roman ruins. You are quote-mining again.

Are you implying that the ruins underwater were after the 18th century? So they could be quarried?

Blessings,
Lee

[37818]

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Now Tyre BTW is in the New Testament, ". . . we left it on the left hand, and sailed into Syria, and landed at Tyre: . . . And when we had finished our course from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, and saluted the brethren, . . ." -- Acts 21:3, . . .7.