Jewish Eschatology question

[Thedonhopeless]

Hi,

Is it true that Jewish people believe their prophets have for seen the renewal of Jerusalem, to what it is today? That what we may see as "the end of the time gentiles" spoken by Jesus? It does appear that a lot of the old prophecies talk about bring jewish people back to their homeland, and well, they are there now in millions again and they say they have their western wall back ( despite, ofcourse their missing temple.) They await now I guess for "their" messiah to waltz through the closed eastern gates. Something like that.

Well whether this is true whats that mean for God's main plan? Because if it is true, then we are indeed in the end of days according to the timeline's that the prophets give.

If it isn't true, and the jerusaem these prophets speak about is the kingdom of God (as its called Israel) then what does the end of the time of gentiles mean?

pretty confused on this, which is probably the last hole I have with preterism, and once i find this answer most of it I will understand.

[eschaton]

I'm not sure what Jews today believe, but Paul explains in Romans (11:25) that the world continues until all those that God counts are saved. There is neither Jew or Gentile in the olive tree, but they are one in Christ.

[Tanakh Keeper]

Hi,

Is it true that Jewish people believe their prophets have for seen the renewal of Jerusalem, to what it is today? That what we may see as "the end of the time gentiles" spoken by Jesus? It does appear that a lot of the old prophecies talk about bring jewish people back to their homeland, and well, they are there now in millions again and they say they have their western wall back ( despite, ofcourse their missing temple.) They await now I guess for "their" messiah to waltz through the closed eastern gates. Something like that.

Individual Jewish people can believe all sorts of different things.

There are several future prophecies spoken of in Judaism, but none reference either a renewed Jerusalem or an end times. There is a prophecy regarding the ingathering of all the Jewish exiles. It will be fulfilled during the Messianic Age by having all Jewish people return to Israel. Currently, only about 50% of all Jews are living in Israel, so that prophecy isn’t fulfilled yet.

Personally, I'm holding out for the 'peace on earth' prophecy to be fulfilled before I return to Israel.

[Thedonhopeless]

thank you both for the answers, tanakh can i ask what the expectations of the messiah are? im not trying to trap you im seriously interested.

[Tanakh Keeper]

I'd be happy to answer you Thedonhopeless. However, this section of the website is not the place for such essays.

This area of the forum is primarily for Christian theists to discuss orthodox views of Eschatology. Other theist participation is welcome within that framework, but only within orthodoxy. Posts from nontheists that do not promote atheism or seek to undermine the faith of others will be permitted at the Moderator's discretion

If you are seriously interested, then I'd recommend for you to re-post your question in the Judaism thread.

[Zoli]

The reestablishment of Israel is a sign that we are 'close' to the "end of the world". Any shades of futurist (Dispensational) understanding of eschatology teaches
this.
In the Roman Catholic deuterocanonical book: Ecclesiasticus 48:10-12 is an explicit prophecy about the end times saying that before the 'End' God will restore the tribes of Jacob (Israel) ..etc etc...
History justifies futurist view of eschatology. Consequently all others are heretic.

[Zoli]

In the state of being saved there will be distinction between Jews and Gentiles. But of course eschaton's covenantal theology makes a mess of the teaching of the Bible.

[eschaton]

The Bible is about Christ, and that's no mess.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.