UNFCCC Accord de Paris

[Starlight]

If they actually cared, they would have made yuge, significant changes long ago, starting with own lifestyle of theirs. They're just taking opportunity to signal 'look how prog I am!!!!'

Sure, the 195 countries who signed the Paris agreement are all just signalling their progressive credentials to each other.

You're as moronic as VP Pence who said it's just 'the left' making an issue about it. No, in all the world combined there are 195 countries, the entire rest of the world on board with this. The ones 'making an issue' out of it is the US right-wing who are known worldwide as both a joke and as insane sociopathic uneducated ignorant evil pathological detached from morality morons who haven't got a brain-cell, a heart, or the least shred of morality between the lot of them, and who would stab themselves in the eyes with their crayons if they thought it would annoy the liberals.

You guys just don't get that you're completely detached from the reality that THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD is dealing with. You're the losers, the ignoramuses, the dunderheads, the Dunning-Krugers, the jokes, of the entire world, and yes we are all laughing at you. You pretend to yourselves and delude yourselves that it's the progressives in the US that are weird and that they live in 'isolated' cities on 'the coast' while you live in 'real America' while you live in your own fake-news US right-wing-conservative propaganda echo chambers. No, the libs in the US are normal by the standards of the entire rest of the world, they're the sane, rational, reality-based people. The odd ones out, in all the world combined, are the absolute nutbars who are the right-wing conservatives in the US. And now your nuttery is endangering the rest of the world.

[demi-conservative]

Sure, the 195 countries who signed the Paris agreement are all just signalling their progressive credentials to each other.

Very very clearly, I was talking about Tassman's "many leading figures in the US", moron.

You're as moronic as VP Pence who said it's just 'the left' making an issue about it. No, in all the world combined there are 195 countries, the entire rest of the world on board with this.

Are you really so naive? Big big majority of those 195 are developing countries, also undeveloped countries! They're 'on board' because they want yuuuuuuuuge amount of free money from developed countries.

You guys just don't get that you're completely detached from the reality that THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD is dealing with.

Says idiot who can't see that third world, also second world, are in it for free $$$ and tech.

You pretend to yourselves and delude yourselves that it's the progressives in the US that are weird and that they live in 'isolated' cities on 'the coast' while you live in 'real America'

[JimL]

Sure, the 195 countries who signed the Paris agreement are all just signalling their progressive credentials to each other.

You're as moronic as VP Pence who said it's just 'the left' making an issue about it. No, in all the world combined there are 195 countries, the entire rest of the world on board with this. The ones 'making an issue' out of it is the US right-wing who are known worldwide as both a joke and as insane sociopathic uneducated ignorant evil pathological detached from morality morons who haven't got a brain-cell, a heart, or the least shred of morality between the lot of them, and who would stab themselves in the eyes with their crayons if they thought it would annoy the liberals.

You guys just don't get that you're completely detached from the reality that THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD is dealing with. You're the losers, the ignoramuses, the dunderheads, the Dunning-Krugers, the jokes, of the entire world, and yes we are all laughing at you. You pretend to yourselves and delude yourselves that it's the progressives in the US that are weird and that they live in 'isolated' cities on 'the coast' while you live in 'real America' while you live in your own fake-news US right-wing-conservative propaganda echo chambers. No, the libs in the US are normal by the standards of the entire rest of the world, they're the sane, rational, reality-based people. The odd ones out, in all the world combined, are the absolute nutbars who are the right-wing conservatives in the US. And now your nuttery is endangering the rest of the world.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[seer]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Jim let me ask you, why does the Republican, conservative state of Texas have more wind power than any other state in the Union (more than your liberal state and mine)? The fact is that we have reduced our carbon foot print back to 1992 levels, and as linked else where, we have reduced our Co2 output more than any other country, never mind the fact that today we have more green energy jobs in America than fossil fuel jobs: http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

So Jim, tell me why we need to be in this agreement?

[Mountain Man]

The folks "defying" Trump make for an even less sensationalistic headline than CNN's "10 States" proclamation:

Source: The New York Times

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/0...standards.html

© Copyright Original Source

I don't know what they're trying to accomplish since the whole point of the treaty was to "redistribute" America's wealth to the rest of the world. They want to submit their data, but will they also accept the burdensome taxes if they fail to please their global warming masters?

[rogue06]

Jim let me ask you, why does the Republican, conservative state of Texas have more wind power than any other state in the Union (more than your liberal state and mine)? The fact is that we have reduced our carbon foot print back to 1992 levels, and as linked else where, we have reduced our Co2 output more than any other country, never mind the fact that today we have more green energy jobs in America than fossil fuel jobs: http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

So Jim, tell me why we need to be in this agreement?

Simple. So the government can take credit for it in order to justify a larger, even more intrusive bureaucracy.

This is essentially what happened after the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts of the 60s and early 70s. IIRC, both had been showing a substantial reduction in pollution levels at least half a decade prior to their passage but everyone, thanks to government efforts, credits the acts (government) for the reductions.

[rogue06]

If they actually cared, they would have made yuge, significant changes long ago, starting with own lifestyle of theirs. They're just taking opportunity to signal 'look how prog I am!!!!' and progtards like you and Starlight fall for PR stunt.

It's same standard fake lib crap, like 'look how much I care about environment!!!' Al Gore polluting his way to peace prize.

The only well known environmentalist activist that I'm aware of who practices what he preaches is the actor Ed Begley Jr. He actually seems to live by example rather than being just another do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do hypocrite. He lives in a LEED-platinum certified house (the highest environmental rating from the U.S. Green Building Council) which is solar-powered has composting toilets and a huge rainwater tank for his fruit and vegetable garden. He's driven electric cars exclusively since the early 70s.

[JimL]

Jim let me ask you, why does the Republican, conservative state of Texas have more wind power than any other state in the Union (more than your liberal state and mine)? The fact is that we have reduced our carbon foot print back to 1992 levels, and as linked else where, we have reduced our Co2 output more than any other country, never mind the fact that today we have more green energy jobs in America than fossil fuel jobs: http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

So Jim, tell me why we need to be in this agreement?

Because some states, perhaps states like yours and mine are not doing what only some states are doing, and that is where the Federal Government can help. Its not about what some states are doing anymore than it is about what some countries do, its about all countries commiting to doing all they can do together to slow and reduce the rising temperatures that have already and will continue to cause havoc to the environment and end up costing us much more tomorrow than that which we invest to combat it today. Backing out of the accord will also cost the U.S. a vast number of jobs in new energy technology which other countries, like China and India and Germany will gladly take advantage of, and in fact are already taking advantage of. The U.S is also supposed to be a principled leader on the world stage, setting the example for others to follow, something that Trump has now ceded to others. Stopping temperature rise is a matter of time, and thats not something that can be left to local policy or the private market alone and the rest of the world is investing to meet that timeline, but, even if the climate change deniers were right, these countries will still benefit economically from the investment they make.

The good thing though is that even though Trump is a small minded, short sighted, irresponsible idiot, the way I understand it, it will take 4 years for Trumps withdrawal from the Accord to actually take effect by which time, the god that I don't believe in willing, he and his corrupt administration will be long gone and locked away, where many of them, in my opinion, belong.

[seer]

Because some states, perhaps states like yours and mine are not doing what only some states are doing, and that is where the Federal Government can help. Its not about what some states are doing anymore than it is about what some countries do, its about all countries commiting to doing all they can do together to slow and reduce the rising temperatures that have already and will continue to cause havoc to the environment and end up costing us much more tomorrow than that which we invest to combat it today. Backing out of the accord will also cost the U.S. a vast number of jobs in new energy technology which other countries, like China and India and Germany will gladly take advantage of, and in fact are already taking advantage of. The U.S is also supposed to be a principled leader on the world stage, setting the example for others to follow, something that Trump has now ceded to others. Stopping temperature rise is a matter of time, and thats not something that can be left to local policy or the private market alone and the rest of the world is investing to meet that timeline, but, even if the climate change deniers were right, these countries will still benefit economically from the investment they make.

The good thing though is that even though Trump is a small minded, short sighted, irresponsible idiot, the way I understand it, it will take 4 years for Trumps withdrawal from the Accord to actually take effect by which time, the god that I don't believe in willing, he and his corrupt administration will be long gone and locked away, where many of them in my opinion belong.

Jim, this makes no sense. We are already beating just about every other country in Co2 reduction, we are a leader in green energy development, today we have more jobs in green energy than in fossil fuels and it is not slowing down. And is not going to stop this, and we are leading the world with our example, what other country has reduced their carbon foot print to 1992 levels with an increasing population? There is zero reason to be in this accord.

U.S. Outshines Other Countries in CO2 Emissions Reductions

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or...ns-reductions/

A 20-Year Low in U.S. Carbon Emissions

https://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...missions/?_r=0

Green jobs eclipse fossil fuel jobs.

http://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact...fficiency-2017

[Starlight]

So the government can take credit for it in order to justify a larger, even more intrusive bureaucracy.

Is this the Alex Jones conspiracy theory of Agenda 21 - the UN wants to use climate change to force us all to live in hobbit homes, to fuel their secret passion for hobbit homes? It's as bad as the theory that mentions of 'pizza' in Hillary's emails were codewords for child prostitution.

This is essentially what happened after the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts of the 60s and early 70s.

They were introduced because the Cuyahoga River was so polluted by industrial effluent that it kept catching fire. Even Nixon was like, "um, yeah, so the feds should probably do a little regulation of what people are putting into the environment, cos rivers catching fire is kinda embarrassing", and so created the EPA.

Are you suggesting that Nixon's motives had nothing to do with a river catching fire and the media reporting extensively on it, and were in fact about a Republican love of creating intrusive bureaucracy?

[Starlight]

We are already beating just about every other country in Co2 reduction, we are a leader in green energy development, today we have more jobs in green energy than in fossil fuels and it is not slowing down.

Then you'd have no problem signing the Paris agreement and binding other countries to your awesome levels of accomplishments... right?

And is not going to stop this, and we are leading the world with our example

Trump and Scott Pruitt seem to be doing their best to stop it. But if you think you're leading the world, wonderful, why not create some sort of international agreement that gets the rest of the world to sign on to copying your amazing excellence?

Alternatively, you could be deluding yourself about your countries alleged awesomeness, and the actions that speak louder than words are that you don't feel your country can do what 195 other countries have agreed to do - America is apparently exceptionally useless and terrible.

[seer]

Is this the Alex Jones conspiracy theory of Agenda 21 - the UN wants to use climate change to force us all to live in hobbit homes, to fuel their secret passion for hobbit homes? It's as bad as the theory that mentions of 'pizza' in Hillary's emails were codewords for child prostitution.

Again, the point is that there is no real need for us to be in the accord, if the goal of the accord is really to reduce emissions then we are already doing it - pretty much better than anyone else.

U.S. Outshines Other Countries in CO2 Emissions Reductions

http://instituteforenergyresearch.or...ns-reductions/

[Starlight]

So the government can take credit for it in order to justify a larger, even more intrusive bureaucracy.

If you want to believe in sinister motives, try a theory that actually has evidence:

GOP senators who pushed Trump to ditch Paris deal took over $10 million from big oil:

[seer]

Then you'd have no problem signing the Paris agreement and binding other countries to your awesome levels of accomplishments... right?

Why? They all already signed. Are you saying they can't do it without us - we must somehow force them?

Trump and Scott Pruitt seem to be doing their best to stop it. But if you think you're leading the world, wonderful, why not create some sort of international agreement that gets the rest of the world to sign on to copying your amazing excellence?

They are not stopping anything - most of green energy boom in the US is being done by the private sector, and that will just keep growing.

Alternatively, you could be deluding yourself about your countries alleged awesomeness, and the actions that speak louder than words are that you don't feel your country can do what 195 other countries have agreed to do - America is apparently exceptionally useless and terrible.

Since we are already reducing our carbon foot print, probably more than another other country, why on earth would we need an international agreement? Because this is not about Co2 reduction is it - I suspect it is more about carbon taxing and wealth redistribution.

[seer]

If you want to believe in sinister motives, try a theory that actually has evidence:

That must be why just about every Democrat Senator voted against Kyoto Protocol.