UNFCCC Accord de Paris

[JimL]

The world is listening. Do Americans love their children? That’s what climate change amounts to. What are we prepared to do to safeguard out children’s future? If the US withdraws from the Paris agreement, the clear answer is: They don’t love their children, they just want to put money in their pockets now, and the world can go to hell.

Conservative Trump supporting Americans that is!

[Starlight]

Do Americans love their children? That’s what climate change amounts to.

US conservatives don't seem to believe in loving their children. They believe in 'tough love' instead which people in the rest of the world would understand as 'not actually love'. I've seen video of US parents kicking their kid out of home because he was gay - it's the leading cause of homelessness among teenagers in the US. And, yeah, they don't care about climate change because they don't care about their kids or their grandkids, that's ultimately what it boils down to - they would prefer to ensure they can make an extra buck now rather than making any 'sacrifices' for the world climate and don't care how it affects the lives of their grandkids.

[rogue06]

Though obviously many are, but you don't know that all of Trumps voters are quite that ignorant,

But, of course, they are deplorable

a lot of them are the very wealthy who just couldn't care less about the future of the planet

Because the more money you have the less you have to worry about things like a livable planet

and a lot of them probably voted for him for different reasons than climate change, you know, like abortion, muslim hatred and such.

Like making America great again rather than a laughing stock or keeping what was perhaps the most corrupt, power hungry candidate to ever run for the office of the president from seizing control.

They do defend their own countries you rodent

Often by issuing a hue and cry for help from us whenever they're in trouble.

and they help defend the U.S. as well, they are called allies.

Some do but more and more have simply shrugged their burden and assume we'll pick up the slack

Nothing personal, but for the sake of the world I would rather you big mouthed ignorant meatheads die off first.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual

[Meh Gerbil]

Um, aren't Americans a lot fatter than Europeans on average? And isn't Trump a lot fatter than Merkel, Macron, and May?

It isn't surprising that people are getting lean in socialist societies while the oligarchs are getting fat.

Who exactly are the Europeans not defending themselves from? America?

You don't even know what front the war will be fought upon.
Here is a clue: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-d...62e07b40b01671

As you can see the little chart you posted about military spending means absolutely nothing when a country surrenders itself.
Like I wrote, America needs to make plans for a post-European world and do so by strengthening the allies we have on the North American/Central American continent.
Europe is a goner.

[rogue06]

The world is listening. Do Americans love their children? That’s what climate change amounts to. What are we prepared to do to safeguard out children’s future? If the US withdraws from the Paris agreement, the clear answer is: They don’t love their children, they just want to put money in their pockets now, and the world can go to hell.

The Paris agreement had little to nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with redistributing wealth. According to the most optimistic predictions it will cut temperatures by all of 0.05° Celsius over a century (an MIT assessment puts it closer to 0.02° Celsius). For perspective that is like spending $10,000 today in order to get a $5 pay out in a hundred years.

The only ones gaining from it were the oligarchs and bureaucrats who meet at 5 star hotels in resort areas to be wined and dined and discuss it every year.

[firstfloor]

The most immediate crisis we face isn't global warming but rather the selling out of American exceptionalism to people hell bent on enriching themselves at our expense.
There is no reason to take anything being done in Europe seriously anymore, they'll be Caliphates by the turn of the next century.

America should be spending it's time and resources:
1: Building Canada into a major world power.
2: Enriching, educating, and empowering Mexico and Central America.

Europe is dead man walking and should be discarded in any future planning.

You don’t need to explain to me that God is public enemy number one. Christians and Muslims ought to get together and with a pair of sharp scissors each ceremoniously snip out the offensive verses from their opposite number’s rotten book. They could join what’s left over with sticky tape and call it the Unity Scripture. No risk of Caliphates then.

[Meh Gerbil]

You don’t need to explain to me that God is public enemy number one. Christians and Muslims ought to get together and with a pair of sharp scissors each ceremoniously snip out the offensive verses from their opposite number’s rotten book. They could join what’s left over with sticky tape and call it the Unity Scripture. No risk of Caliphates then.

Atheist governments killed 10X more people in the 20th century than the three Abrahamic religions killed in the previous 1900 years combined.
I assume you made your faith selection because you sell caskets for a living?

[Meh Gerbil]

The only ones gaining from it were the oligarchs and bureaucrats who meet at 5 star hotels in resort areas to be wined and dined and discuss it every year.

Be careful, rogue, because nothing gets you labeled a whack job like objecting to fat, self-aggrandizing boneheads drinking fine wine and getting favors from the hotel staff.

[JimL]

Be careful, rogue, because nothing gets you labeled a whack job like objecting to fat, self-aggrandizing boneheads drinking fine wine and getting favors from the hotel staff.

Do you mean like Trump andf his Cabinet?

[firstfloor]

Atheist governments killed 10X more people in the 20th century than the three Abrahamic religions killed in the previous 1900 years combined.
I assume you made your faith selection because you sell caskets for a living?

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read from you in quite a while. Atheism is apolitical. What you are thinking of is authoritarian government which may or may not suppress some or all religions. One religion may oppress another by authoritarian methods.

[Meh Gerbil]

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read from you in quite a while. Atheism is apolitical. What you are thinking of is authoritarian government which may or may not suppress some or all religions. One religion may oppress another by authoritarian methods.

We ran the numbers awhile back and Stalin along with Mao were not only atheists but forced the atheism onto their societies.
Their governments killed more people in 50 years than the major religions of the world killed in the previous 1900 years.

If you'd actually like to learn about the long term effects of atheism read this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

The list of places where atheism takes hold in the government read like a Who's Who list of nightmares.
You can deny it all you like but the freedom you have today, imperfect as it may be, was brought to you by Jesus Christ.

[JimL]

But, of course, they are deplorable

No, we don't think that you are all deplorable, its just that the deplorables happen to agree with republican policies.

Because the more money you have the less you have to worry about things like a livable planet

Right, they don't have to worry about a livable planet, it won't so much effect them. Thats the point dummy!

Like making America great again rather than a laughing stock or keeping what was perhaps the most corrupt, power hungry candidate to ever run for the office of the president from seizing control.

America was not a laughing stock until you idiots elected a clown to be its president.

Often by issuing a hue and cry for help from us whenever they're in trouble.

As we do from them, thats what allies are all about dufus!

Some do but more and more have simply shrugged their burden and assume we'll pick up the slack

Really, is that what you were calling the U.S. "leading from behind?" Who were we behind, ourselves?

I'm sure the feeling is mutual

No doubt.

[firstfloor]

We ran the numbers awhile back and Stalin along with Mao were not only atheists but forced the atheism onto their societies.
Their governments killed more people in 50 years than the major religions of the world killed in the previous 1900 years.

.. but not because they were atheist! They presumably did not want opposition from organized religion. Atheists are not organized politically.

[Meh Gerbil]

.. but not because they were atheist! They presumably did not want opposition from organized religion. Atheists are not organized politically.

I'm not sure how you get from an official government 'religion' of atheism, followed by policies that discriminate against all non-atheist views with subsequent jail terms/death for those who don't comply - how do you get from that nightmare to 'atheists aren't not organized politically'? They seem to have been fairly well organized in the U.S.S.R, China, and several other places. They obviously aren't too organized in the USA but history has taught us to avoid allowing that to occur.

Were these people not True Atheists(tm)?

[rogue06]

Right, they don't have to worry about a livable planet, it won't so much effect them. Thats the point dummy!

So, in the world that you inhabit if you have enough money you don't have to worry about things like air and water because you don't need them