Why is there no mention of time travel in biblical times?

[rogue06]

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[Cerebrum123]

Leviathan was supposed to have been some sort of sea creature not a terrestrial animal like a T rex. Psalm 104:26 says, "There go the ships: there is leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein" (KJV). Clearly the habitat of leviathan in this context is the sea.

Further in Psalm 74 depicts God as "break[ing] the heads of Leviathan in pieces." Multiple heads would tend to disqualify T rex, any other type of dinosaur and any actual non-mythological creature.

And according to Isaiah 27:1 the Leviathan is called the "wriggling serpent" which doesn't sound much like a T rex and is said will be killed at the end of time meaning that Leviathan is still around -- another problem with identifying it with a T rex or any other non-avian dinosaur.


Godzilla swam? Don't recall that but I haven't seen every Godzilla movie. I distinctly recall in at least one he was depicted as marching along the sea floor.


Komodos aren't dinosaurs and in fact belong to a different group of diapsid reptiles than they do. Dinosaurs were archosaurs. Their living representatives consist of modern birds and crocodilians. Komodo dragons, OTOH, are lizards which along with snakes, tuatara and amphibaenians (commonly called worm lizards) are lepidosaurs. So while komodo dragons share a common ancestor with dinosaurs they don't descend from them and, in fact, birds are more closely related to dinosaurs than are komodos.


Yeah, we call them birds.


Far more cultures have myths about people turning into beasts hence I guess that demonstrates the validity of lycanthropes

Come to think about it there are numerous stories about animals turning into humans so I guess that serves to "prove" evolution.


They don't.

In the west dragons are often depicted as fire-breathing carnivorous ‘Brontosaurus-like’ creatures that fly via bat wings and represent evil incarnate. The fire-breathing "evolved" through the years going from a venomous bite to dripping venom, to venom-spitting, finally in the latest stories to fire breathing. Often they're described as being large enough to curl around a hill or small mountain

Contrast that to the dragons of the Far East, especially China. These dragons were snake-like creatures (usually bearded) that fly by swimming through the air. Instead of being evil brutes they're said to be intelligent and beneficial. And they also inter-marry with humanity to create Emperors.

In the Mid East and southwestern Asia the descriptions are varied though many have multiple heads like the hydra.


Closer to 170 years but who's quibbling.


Just checked almost a dozen history books. Guess what wasn't mentioned in any of them.

If you want a good explanation for these stories I suggest you check out Adrienne Mayor's "The First Fossil Hunters: Dinosaurs, Mammoths, and Myth in Greek and Roman Times" (I just picked up a copy now that it's in paperback).


If dinosaurs recently went extinct please point to all the unfossilized dinosaur material.


Well that was fun.

Only a few points to make on this one. Godzilla does indeed swim, but that is something that seems to be a little bit newer of a capability(remember the Godzilla movie advertised by Taco Bell?). Also isn't it possible that the word Leviathan could be plural? This would make smashing Leviathian's heads more possibly a real animal(I definitely don't think it was a flying T. Rex, but I do believe that the Leviathan was a real animal). Also we have instances of animals being born with more than one head even today. So maybe this was a particular Leviathan that just happened to have something wrong with it.
Also the whole lyconthrope thing probably came about due to exaggerations by people who had seen people with that one disease that causes hair to grow uncontrolled over the whole body(could be the same with the Bigfoot legends, or something similar). IMO there have been many myths that grew up around real events, but became distorted, or exaggerated over time. I even have my own personal theory on how the whole zombie legends and stories got started(I think it has to do with leprosy in the ancient world, but that's just my opinion on how it could have started out from something that was real).
As for no history books mentioning dragons. There is a book by John of Damascus (I think he was one of the ECF) that was trying to dispel myths, so why did he conclude that dragons are real creatures(large reptiles in this case), if you are trying to get rid of such superstitions?
As for his "dinosaurs that fly" come now rogue, it's pretty obvious that he's thinking of pterosaurs (I don't think I spelled that right), or one of the similar dinosaurs.
Anyway, just playing a little "Devil's Advocate" again. I think that some of these topics are rather interesting myself.

[rogue06]

Godzilla does indeed swim, but that is something that seems to be a little bit newer of a capability(remember the Godzilla movie advertised by Taco Bell?)

The newer one isn't very T rex-like. Although the old Godzilla was based upon the old way of modeling a T rex -- upright, tail dragging.

Also isn't it possible that the word Leviathan could be plural?

I've never seen any source even imply that it is plural but I can't say for certain. Although it could be said that it does seem to represent different things in different passages such as a whale a crocodile, and possibly even the Devil.

IMO there have been many myths that grew up around real events, but became distorted, or exaggerated over time.

Agreed

As for no history books mentioning dragons.

Whoa there pardner. I never said that. I said none of the nearly dozen that I checked contained a mention in response to wilson's statement that "All history books of all cultures mention dragons."

As for his "dinosaurs that fly" come now rogue, it's pretty obvious that he's thinking of pterosaurs (I don't think I spelled that right), or one of the similar dinosaurs.

The spelling is correct but you're wrong if you think they're dinosaurs. They're flying reptiles. As Wikipedia puts it:

Pterosaurs are often referred to in the popular media and by the general public as flying dinosaurs, but this is incorrect. The term "dinosaur" is properly restricted to a certain group of reptiles with a unique upright stance (clade Dinosauria, which includes birds), and therefore excludes the pterosaurs, as well as the various groups of extinct marine reptiles, such as ichthyosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs.

AFAICT, the only dinosaurs that fly are what we call birds.

[Cerebrum123]

The newer one isn't very T rex-like. Although the old Godzilla was based upon the old way of modeling a T rex -- upright, tail dragging.


I've never seen any source even imply that it is plural but I can't say for certain. Although it could be said that it does seem to represent different things in different passages such as a whale a crocodile, and possibly even the Devil.


Agreed


Whoa there pardner. I never said that. I said none of the nearly dozen that I checked contained a mention in response to wilson's statement that "All history books of all cultures mention dragons."


The spelling is correct but you're wrong if you think they're dinosaurs. They're flying reptiles. As Wikipedia puts it:

Pterosaurs are often referred to in the popular media and by the general public as flying dinosaurs, but this is incorrect. The term "dinosaur" is properly restricted to a certain group of reptiles with a unique upright stance (clade Dinosauria, which includes birds), and therefore excludes the pterosaurs, as well as the various groups of extinct marine reptiles, such as ichthyosaurs, plesiosaurs, and mosasaurs.

AFAICT, the only dinosaurs that fly are what we call birds.

Ok, I was wrong about a pterosaur being a "dinosaur", but you know that the average person would think of them as one, and it is most likely that that is what wilson here was referring to. Also, yeah the new Godzilla is a bit different, but he's still pretty cool, and he would still be able to take on King Kong without any problem. Also, I guess I misread the statement about no history books containing dragons, sorry

[Sparko]

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[rogue06]

Ok, I was wrong about a pterosaur being a "dinosaur", but you know that the average person would think of them as one, and it is most likely that that is what wilson here was referring to.

Earlier he specifically referred to flying, fire-breathing T rexes so I wouldn't bet on it.

[rogue06]

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Dang it Sparko! Quit publishing confidential photos from rogue tech bio labs

[Sparko]

Dang it Sparko! Quit publishing confidential photos from rogue tech bio labs

I took that photo on my last excursion with my time machine. Guess what? Vesuvius wasn't a volcano after all. It was a t-rex.

[rogue06]

I took that photo on my last excursion with my time machine. Guess what? Vesuvius wasn't a volcano after all. It was a t-rex.

My bad. I thought it was from that incident when a lab assistant, after a three day drunk, "borrowed" the genetically engineered (the chief scientist calls it "fiddled with") T rex and got in the Enbiggenator^© before visiting the town his ex lived in.

It was not a pretty sight.

[rogue06]

My bad. I thought it was from that incident when a lab assistant, after a three day drunk, "borrowed" the genetically engineered (the chief scientist calls it "fiddled with") T rex and got in the Enbiggenator^© before visiting the town his ex lived in.

It was not a pretty sight.

Probably should note that the first try at genetically engineering a fire-breathing T rex didn't work out the way we had planned. Can you say "self-immolated"

[wilson]

You are talking about the heavenly leviathan that is symbolized as a serpent swallowing his tail. Our solar system appears to look like a serpent swallowing his own tail. In job chapter 40 God himself is telling job to behold two of his creatures that he made along with mankind. The first one Behemoth is a Diplodocus he has a tail like a cedar tree and can drink up a river and his force is in his belly and bones are bars of iron. The second Leviathan is distincly distinguished as not a bird in the scripture Job 41 saying will you play with him like a bird?. His teeth are terrible round about and his scales are shut together and sealed so that no air can get in. Out of his mouth go sparks and flames, his strength is in his neck and his heart is as hard as stone. Reminds me of Smog in the new lord of the rings. Yes godzilla swims watch 1998 film and he looks exactly like the tyrant lizard (t-rex) for short The new 2012 godzilla also comes out swimming but he doesnt look the same as 1998. not as terrifying in my opinion. They have found unfossilized dino bones in Alaska. The point in pointing these creatures out to Job was to show how much more powerfull he is than his creations and we would be terrified at the sight of one of them so how much more powerfull is YHWH the Creater. Also the locness monster is a surviving plesiosaurus.

[wilson]

Our solar system appears to look like a serpent swallowing his own tail

I meant galaxy. There is also a constalation leviathan that is talked about in Daniels Timeline. That old serpent the devil can take on the form of many things since he is a shapeshifting reptile like mystique but he can portray himself as a holy creature or as a bull or as a man (prince charles the antichrist count dracula). The devil is behind the ufo phenomina. I have identified them though, they are the host of the heavens flying in thier chariots or wheels in a wheel spoken of by Ezekiel ch 1. They are the wheels of fire that the angel use to transport themselves through wormholes or a fire folding within itself described in Ezekiel. The Messiah is returning with his wheels of fire and they are the angels that are going to destroy the world and the ruler of the world army will say that it is an alien ivasion and attempt to repeal the attack of the true Master of the Universe( not heman). The pre-tribulation rapture will be an alien abduction posing as the return of the Master of the Universe. The Master of the Universe can not return untill after the antichrist is revealed so do not expect to be saved from tribulation when the devil (aliens) will rule the world because they will have thier time until that old serpent is thrown into a prison for 1000 years. The Aliens are underground right now in Deep Underground Military Bases known as DUMBS. This can also be a literal hell that the aliens are rulling from at the time being by controlling our government for exchange of techknowledgy and divine knowledge or heavenly secrets.

Super man or snake man the alien from another planet krypton where they called him by a hebrew name Kal-el meaning voice of god. Modern day heroes are the new false gods(aliens) these days.

[Sparko]

Super man or snake man the alien from another planet krypton where they called him by a hebrew name Kal-el meaning voice of god. Modern day heroes are the new false gods(aliens) these days.

Ha! Everyone knows that Superman is really Godzilla!

[rogue06]

Ha! Everyone knows that Superman is really Godzilla!

Wouldn't that make him...

[Sparko]

Wouldn't that make him...