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    Mark 1, "Son of God"

    Mark 1: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

    Question: Is "the Son of God" supposed to be in Mark 1, or was it added later?

    Thanks.

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    Do you have any evidence either way, or are you just spitballing?
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    It is my understanding only one of the 4th century oldest mss omits it. Of the all the Greek mss that omit "Son of God" only 00.8 % of the mss. Of which 98.8 % of all the mss have the reading "Son of God." Including 4th and 5th century mss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    It is my understanding only one of the 4th century oldest mss omits it. Of the all the Greek mss that omit "Son of God" only 00.8 % of the mss. Of which 98.8 % of all the mss have the reading "Son of God." Including 4th and 5th century mss.
    Thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Do you have any evidence either way, or are you just spitballing?
    I'm just trying to keep up with someone who LOVES Bart Erhman -- a Muslim, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I'm just trying to keep up with someone who LOVES Bart Erhman -- a Muslim, of course.
    Ah, ok. Much ado about nothing, then. It's not as if that's the only location the phrase is found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Ah, ok. Much ado about nothing, then. It's not as if that's the only location the phrase is found.
    I pointed that out. We have to take the New Testament as a whole and Jesus being "the Son of God" is noted elsewhere in the New Testament.

    Is there any update on this?

    http://www.dts.edu/read/wallace-new-...first-century/

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    Dr. Wallace: Earliest Manuscript of the New Testament Discovered?

    These new papyri will no doubt continue that trend. But, if this Mark fragment is confirmed as from the first century, what a thrill it will be to have a manuscript that is dated within the lifetime of many of the eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection!

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    I pointed that out. We have to take the New Testament as a whole and Jesus being "the Son of God" is noted elsewhere in the New Testament.

    Is there any update on this?

    http://www.dts.edu/read/wallace-new-...first-century/

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    Dr. Wallace: Earliest Manuscript of the New Testament Discovered?

    These new papyri will no doubt continue that trend. But, if this Mark fragment is confirmed as from the first century, what a thrill it will be to have a manuscript that is dated within the lifetime of many of the eyewitnesses to Jesus’ resurrection!

    Thanks.
    I haven't seen any update. It is important to keep in mind that this will not be anything like a complete manuscript, but I agree - any first-century NT fragments would be big news.
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    Not a single citation to check the information against: Making an assessment on that sort of basis is kind of difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian3 View Post
    Mark 1: The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

    Question: Is "the Son of God" supposed to be in Mark 1, or was it added later?

    Thanks.
    It's debated as to whether or not it's a later addition.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/2463786...n_tab_contents

    It's omitted by Origen in the third century, but Irenaeus makes reference to it in the second.

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