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It did it to me again! Perhaps I need some "speed thought and typing" classes.!

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X's,

Great to hear from you, I struggled to eat dinner, being anxious to get back here and continue the conversation!

When I spoke of death and the "realm of temporary". I was referring to the condition that came upon Adam, as well as all of us. The "temporary" is that time between the fall of Adam and the second coming of Christ. Then death will be "put under his feet", subdued/judged for all time, and cast into the lake of fire.

The reason people continue to die, is because death still reigns. Not just people, but all forms of life.

I think that differs from you a bit?

We see no "separation" between Christ and God (v.13):
In the beginning;
At / After the ascension;
In Eternity future.

So how/where do the "pre-mies" find this "separation" that leads to Christ receiving his kingdom? Perhaps I'm asking the wrong person? I would be willing to bet that they would struggle to find one. Even as we've studied Daniel, there has been no "focus" put upon this verse. I feel the reason being that one would not desire to focus upon passages that speak against their position.

Christ receives that kingdom after their "separation" is resolved, and the only identifieable "separation" is the earthly ministry of Christ.

Christ is King, and is ruling in his eternal Kingdom, and has since his ascensiion. It is a kingdom that shall never end, jst as Daniel states.

Even as Christ was "BORN" king, according to the gospels, Rev. 1:9, says,"I John(i like that part) who also am your brother and companion in tribulation and in the...KINGDOM... and patience of Jesus Christ..."

I AM OF THE OPINION THAT: It is quite difficult to have your own "kingdom", unless of course you happen to be KING over it!

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As for the millenium - v.14 does speak of the rule and reigh of Christ - so that would be relative, yes?

I am certain we agree that God is unchanging? That as he has revealed his nature through his word, through his deeds, he has revealed that he is stedfast in them? Okay.

When God enacted judgment upon Israel, he sent them into captivity for 70 contiuous, unbroken years? What was at the end of those 70 years of Gods' punishment? Restoration?

While I know we do not intentionally "impose" conditions upon Gods' word, we do in fact do it!

Permit me to offer some examples:

In Numbers 16 Korah thoght it permissable to make offerings to the Lord, instead of Aaron and his sons only.
Saul offered up the evening sacrifice, while Samuel tarried.
Abraham took Hagar to generate off-spring.

None of it seemed so terrible at the time, and yet, they were "imposing" conditions upon Gods word. (You'll see in a moment)

Daniel speaks of seventy - sevens.

Do you recall when the disciples asked Christ how often they should forgive their brother? Are you inclined to think, that just like every other answer Christ gave them, it would reflect God and his nature? The answer that Christ gave them was from the perspective of...... GOD AND HIS FORGIVENESS!!!

What was his answer? "NOT 7 x 7, but 70 x 7!

Daniel was offering up confession and prayers for the nation Israel and what did the Spirit tell him, "...70 x 7"! The same answer that Christ would give.

Now for Daniel did the "unbroken" measure of 70 (measires of time) bring about restoration? Sure.

I have seen the "calculations" concerning the edict going forward to the time of Daniels 70th week. (This is STILL about the "mill") and those calculations put the copletion of the first 69 -7's (years) -with the day of his triumphal entry. Leaving one 7 to transpire.

The "pre-mies" are looking forward for that last 7 year time frame.

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Here is where...WE..."impose" our conditions upon Gods word.

What Daniels says is,"...seventy "shabuas"...are determined...", he does NOT say, " ...seventy measures of seven years..." The word shabua means "sevened". Daniel is saying, "...seventy measures "sevened"..." BIG DIFFERENCE


Do you know that from the evening of the triumphal entry until resurrection morning was seven days? A "measure" of seven. Do you know that Christ would stand in front of Pilate exactly 3 1/2 days from the evening of his triumphal entry? Did you know that from the morning in the presence of Pilate until resurrection morning would be 3 1/2 days? Did you kbow that Christ would rise on the 1st day of the week, yet it would be the 3rd day, as well as the 7th day from the evening of his entry into Jerusalem? It would also be the 8th day from his triumphal entry. These are all O.T. references to the "Lord".

Christ arose and "rested" the 7th day, his work being complete - God "rested" the 7th day, his work being finished!

Did you know Daniel said "something" about, "...times, time, and 1/2 time"?

Do you remember Matt. said from Abraham it was 42 generations until Christ? That Luke said from David, it was 42 generations until Christ? Do you know the combined ministry of Christ and John the baptist was 42 months? Did you know it would be 42 days from the time of the crucifixion until the ascension?

This is where you will find the "millenium" reign!

I probably shouldn't have said all that, but I have been biting my lip! If you have to delete it, I understand.

All this came about because God, through his Holy Spirti, took me to Genesis and showed me what a "day" was in creation: evening and morning.

Christ...WAS...3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth, yet raised the 3rd day!

Blessing to all of you there, if we need a "new" topic page, that works for me!

I'm sorry if I upset anyone.

In Christ

John

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X's

Perhaps this will help matters,...BUT...first the question...You should answer this...BEFORE...you continue to read!

Would Christ "mirror", follow, EXACTLY the requirements/provisions of the Passover Lamb? Answer the question and...THEN...check my answer below.


The answer is NO!

WHY ?

Revelation 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb...SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD".

The Passover Lamb would...follow...Christ, not the other way around. The criteria given for the Lamb was due to Christ having already "made the way", those events, along with the timetable, were already declared in the eternal realm.

Matthew 1:17 - 42 generations
Luke 3:23-31 - 42 generations

Luke 1:36 - 6 months difference between the two

John 2:11; :13 - Event of Passover; following the prresentation of His glory at Cana, beginning of His ministry (Ministry begins with 30 years of age, Num. 4)

Combined ministry: 42 months / 3 1/2 years; Malachi 3:1, "Behaold I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me...".


Exodus 12:3 - Lamb taken into the house- 10th day of the month
Exodus 12:6 - Lamb sacrificed in the evening - 14th day of the month

Mark 11:10 - Christ taken into the "house" (Jn. 2:16); Palm Sunday, triumphal entry - 10th day of the month
Mark 11:11 - "Entered the Temple...looked round upon all things...THE EVENTIDE WAS COME...beginning of a new day / last seven days
Mark 15:1 - "Staightway in the morning...held a consultation...carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

From the evening of the 10th - to the morning of the 14th - exactly 3 1/2 days
From the morning of the 14th - to the morning of the 17th - exactly 3 1/2 days

From the evening of the 14th - to the morning of the 17th - 3 days and 3 nights

Lev. 9:1, "...on the eighth day..."
Lev. 9:4, "...today the Lord will appear unto you".

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Acts 1:3, "...being seen 40 days..." (morning and afternoon, Emmaus)

Raised on the 3rd day, Sunday morning, his crucifxion being Thursday evening, it would be a total of 42 days to ascension from crucifixion - you must watch - it is not 43!

50 days from resurrection to Pentecost.
50 years for Jubilee

52 days from crucifixion to Pentecost
52 days to rebuild the wall Nehemiah 6:15

One last thing (you can always say "thank God"):

Knowing there is much debate of the birth year of Christ two things I have found interesting.

One: I saw a program concerning the "birth star", it seems that according to their calculations, the star appeared in the year 6 B.C. It appeared in the constellation of the Ram - which in ancient days was identified with the nation Israel - might of had something to do with Abraham /Isaac!

Second: World history records that Herod died in the year 4 B.C.! The scriptures inform us that his edict was for "2 years and younger", which could put us at the 6 B.C. for the birth as well.

NOW...IF...that is the case, Christ would be crucified in the year 28 A.D., being 33 years old. That would make it exactly, to the DAY, of 42 years between his crucifixion and the destruction of Jerusalem/Israel! Like I said "if"!

Don't know if any of it helped?

Bless,

John

[Xmansmommy]

Hi John, I'm so sorry that I haven't been back to this thread. I have been exceptionally busy lately and just haven't had the time to devote to this discussion as I would like. Next month I am expecting to have surgery so I may have more time to dialogue further. I do apologize for not getting back to you sooner. If I get some time to sit and think for a while, I will come back before then and post when I can. I appreciate your patience in advance. Thank you!

Blessings,

Linda

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Linda,

As always it is good to "hear" from you. I trust your surgery will go well, as God puts wisdom into the men who devote their lives to this type of ministry for those in need. I know I have sent quite a bit to consider, but the question keeps popping up, "Why does all this align, if not for the purpose of God?" I know Paul says, "...When the...FULLNESS...of time was come, God sent forth his Son..." I keep thinking that there is...NOTHING...happenstance, chance or coincidental with God. Of course, it could be that I'm all wrong about that! :-D!!

Blessings to you and all those on that end,

In Christ,

John

[Xmansmommy]

Hi John,

Well, I have not had my surgery yet. I've had several other issues that have come up preventing the surgery from taking place as of yet. In some ways I'm relieved not to have the surgery yet, but in others, not so much. Anyway...just wanted to give an update and get back to the thread. Will go back over the last few posts and see what specifically that I need/want to respond to, soon. Thanks again for your patience.

God bless you richly!

Linda

[Chrawnus]

It did it to me again! Perhaps I need some "speed thought and typing" classes.!

Or alternatively, you could just check the "remember me" box the next time you login. It keeps you from logging out and as long as you don't delete your internet history you'll be logged in automatically whenever you visit the TWeb forums.

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Thanks for the info, I will look for the "box" and do just that!