Noah's Ark?

[JimL]

Yesterday, I was sitting out on my enclosed patio looking out at the lake while the rain was pouring down, it was the second straight day of constant downpour to a degree to which I had never seen before. The lake after the rains stopped rose, in my estimate, about 4 feet, turning a good portion of my yard into the lake. As I was sitting there in the downpour I began to think about the biblical Noah and the 40 days and 40 nights of rain and realized that even if it had rained as much each day in those 40 days as it did these last 2 days, approximately 2 feet a day, that would only be 80 feet of water, which would be no where near enough to cover the entire earth, not even close. Then I wondered well, what if it rained twice as much or 10 times, or even twenty times as much and realized that that would still not flood the entire earth. Then I realized, though I haven't looked at the data at all, that there is not even enough water on the earth or in its atmosphere to even do the job.
Now, of course, as I'm sure most of you know, I never believed the story to be literal truth in the first place, but for those of you who do, what do you think. Where did all that water come from, and where did it go? And how could an Ark survive what would had to have been a waterfall pouring down on it for 40 days?

[Sparko]

You do realize that there is probably MORE water underground than in the oceans, right? Probably way more than enough to flood the earth.

fyi: http://www.iflscience.com/environmen...s-earths-core/


Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

[The Pixie]

You do realize that there is probably MORE water underground than in the oceans, right? Probably way more than enough to flood the earth.

fyi: http://www.iflscience.com/environmen...s-earths-core/


Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

So all that water was sitting around deep underground in this sponge-like rock, then one day it all decides to go to the surface (a trip of 400 miles), and hang around there for a year, before heading back down below.


Want to talk us through the mechanics of that, Sparko?

[Cow Poke]

Yesterday, I was sitting out on my enclosed patio looking out at the lake while the rain was pouring down, it was the second straight day of constant downpour to a degree to which I had never seen before. The lake after the rains stopped rose, in my estimate, about 4 feet, turning a good portion of my yard into the lake. As I was sitting there in the downpour I began to think about the biblical Noah and the 40 days and 40 nights of rain and realized that even if it had rained as much each day in those 40 days as it did these last 2 days, approximately 2 feet a day, that would only be 80 feet of water, which would be no where near enough to cover the entire earth, not even close. Then I wondered well, what if it rained twice as much or 10 times, or even twenty times as much and realized that that would still not flood the entire earth. Then I realized, though I haven't looked at the data at all, that there is not even enough water on the earth or in its atmosphere to even do the job.
Now, of course, as I'm sure most of you know, I never believed the story to be literal truth in the first place, but for those of you who do, what do you think. Where did all that water come from, and where did it go? And how could an Ark survive what would had to have been a waterfall pouring down on it for 40 days?

I'm just glad God's got you thinking about His book!

[rogue06]

Dang it. I meant to report 's post

[Teallaura]

Yesterday, I was sitting out on my enclosed patio looking out at the lake while the rain was pouring down, it was the second straight day of constant downpour to a degree to which I had never seen before. The lake after the rains stopped rose, in my estimate, about 4 feet, turning a good portion of my yard into the lake. As I was sitting there in the downpour I began to think about the biblical Noah and the 40 days and 40 nights of rain and realized that even if it had rained as much each day in those 40 days as it did these last 2 days, approximately 2 feet a day, that would only be 80 feet of water, which would be no where near enough to cover the entire earth, not even close. Then I wondered well, what if it rained twice as much or 10 times, or even twenty times as much and realized that that would still not flood the entire earth. Then I realized, though I haven't looked at the data at all, that there is not even enough water on the earth or in its atmosphere to even do the job.
Now, of course, as I'm sure most of you know, I never believed the story to be literal truth in the first place, but for those of you who do, what do you think. Where did all that water come from, and where did it go? And how could an Ark survive what would had to have been a waterfall pouring down on it for 40 days?

Okay, first off, since we're accepting (for the sake of argument) that the story is factually true, we need to look at the story itself. As Sparky already indicated, the story tells us that the water did not come solely from atmospheric and open ground sources. Since the amount of water necessary does exist, that problem is dealt with in both parts.

Pixie asks a fair question about mechanics - but has the wrong underlying assumption. Mechanics are no limitation on an All Powerful God - so if we are accepting the story as factual, this is a non-issue. God did it is sufficient.

FYI: that doesn't mean we (general) can't consider mechanics - as Christians we (Christians) find that God frequently leaves the how discover-able which doesn't diminish the glory of having done it at all. It's perfectly fair to wonder how it was done - it's merely foolish to assume because we don't know how it must not have happened.

The best research on the Ark suggests that it was built as described - a big floating box. Scale models do extremely well in rough seas - they can't be steered but the Ark wasn't ever supposed to be steered, judging from the account. Nothing in the account gives any indication of Noah even trying to steer the Ark.

Also, pitch is pretty danged resistant to water erosion so between that and the heavy timbers, I don't see much of an issue for it to survive the deluge itself.

[Meh Gerbil]

Water molecules were much bigger in olden days.

[JimL]

You do realize that there is probably MORE water underground than in the oceans, right? Probably way more than enough to flood the earth.

fyi: http://www.iflscience.com/environmen...s-earths-core/


Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.

Okay, though still theoretical I believe, it is interesting. But that doesn't solve the problem. The water, to the extent that it exists, would be trapped by gravity 400 miles beneath the surface of the earth. Other than that, the Oceans make up 96.5 % of the entire earths water according to the USGS, and that doesn't leave much water left for lakes, rivers, or rain, not nearly enough to flood the entire earth.

[seer]

Water molecules were much bigger in olden days.

Just like you were much bigger in the olden days - almost human size!

[Tassman]

So all that water was sitting around deep underground in this sponge-like rock, then one day it all decides to go to the surface (a trip of 400 miles), and hang around there for a year, before heading back down below.


Want to talk us through the mechanics of that, Sparko?

God-did-it. The bible tells us so.

[The Pixie]

Pixie asks a fair question about mechanics - but has the wrong underlying assumption. Mechanics are no limitation on an All Powerful God - so if we are accepting the story as factual, this is a non-issue. God did it is sufficient.

Fair comment. It is not unreasonable to say God created the water before hand and destroyed it all afterwards. Strange how much effort creations expend trying to account for it all then

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-ai...loodwater.html
https://answersingenesis.org/kids/no...ter-the-flood/

And of course, Sparko's post is likewise trying to find some mundane explanation for where all the water went.

[Tassman]

FYI: that doesn't mean we (general) can't consider mechanics - as Christians we (Christians) find that God frequently leaves the how discover-able which doesn't diminish the glory of having done it at all. It's perfectly fair to wonder how it was done - it's merely foolish to assume because we don't know how it must not have happened.

Even granted that an all-powerful deity can cause a world wide flood if he so chooses, a world-wide deluge, such as described in Genesis, is incompatible with a modern understanding of natural history, especially geology and paleontology. IOW there's no evidence that it occurred.

[Sparko]

So all that water was sitting around deep underground in this sponge-like rock, then one day it all decides to go to the surface (a trip of 400 miles), and hang around there for a year, before heading back down below.


Want to talk us through the mechanics of that, Sparko?

1. It isn't in sponge like rock.
2. It would take a long time to drain that much water back down.

3. It didn't happen by accident. If the narrative is true, then God is real and he flooded the earth. duh. You are trying to dismiss a miracle by claiming it doesn't work according to natural laws. well derp. It's a miracle.

[37818]

Water molecules were much bigger in olden days.

No. You are thinking of ice. That is why ice floats. The water molecules joint together in a bigger way.

[JimL]

1. It isn't in sponge like rock.
2. It would take a long time to drain that much water back down.

3. It didn't happen by accident. If the narrative is true, then God is real and he flooded the earth. duh. You are trying to dismiss a miracle by claiming it doesn't work according to natural laws. well derp. It's a miracle.

Then why even bring up the theory of oceans of water 400 miles deep in the earth?