CNN: More Fake News

[JimL]

I don't know why you're so defensive, do you work for CNN?

There is nothing partisan about admitting that all news sources in the USA are off in some weird fantasy land.
I should think the call for news sources to be fair, to be balanced, to be honest, would be welcome by everyone.
It kind of weirds me out that you take this so personal.

For one thing you people are not talking about all news sources, you are cherry picking certain aspects of some stories that are in error coming from sources that you don't happen to like, because you believe them to be a biased source. But what you don't do is to point out the hundreds of stories coming from those sources that are true. You are cherry picking in order to enforce your own brainwashed beliefs that the MSM is fake news. Why aren't you pointing out the many false stories that come from those conservative sites that print what you like to see? It isn't that you mistrust the media, its that you are biased about the media.

[Starlight]

For one thing you people are not talking about all news sources, you are cherry picking certain aspects of some stories that are in error coming from sources that you don't happen to like, because you believe them to be a biased source. But what you don't do is to point out the hundreds of stories coming from those sources that are true. You are cherry picking in order to enforce your own brainwashed beliefs that the MSM is fake news. Why aren't you pointing out the many false stories that come from those conservative sites that print what you like to see? It isn't that you mistrust the media, its that you are biased about the media.

Yep. I personally don't like the MSM very much because they are all owned by large corporations and dependent on corporate ad revenue and so are naturally biased towards points of view favorable to large corporations and that affects what they do and don't talk about, and they go to great effort to be political 'insiders' which at times means being stenographers for those in power rather than standing up to those in power.

e.g. MSNBC decided it wasn't going to mention the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement on air or express critical opinions of it, because the corporation that ran it liked the agreement. e.g. the MSM was all cheer-leading for war in the run up to Iraq and uncritically reprinting Cheney's blatant lies about WMDs in Iraq etc. e.g. the MSM likes to do false balance where it gets a democrat and a republican to scream at each other for half an hour about an issue, without actually presenting any facts that would lead a person to believe that one might be right and one might be wrong - it's like covering a sports game by getting a supporter from each team to argue with each other over who's the best team rather than ever reporting the actual score in the game or having informed commentators on to give relevant facts.

So I think there are reasons to be skeptical about the general agenda of the MSM being problematic due to their corporate nature and their connections with advertisers and the powerful. They prefer to not to challenge those in power or hold them accountable, and instead prefer to suck up to them so they can get exclusive interviews where they agree to questions in advance and throw soft-ball questions rather than asking the hard questions and demanding to know why the politicians aren't doing more for the people etc. I prefer to listen to intelligent independent commentators, who look over the articles the MSM is producing each day and week and who make informed judgments about whether this is a case of the MSM soft-balling it and sucking up to power and then criticize the MSM for doing that, or mock MSM anchors for speculating whether it is possible that the missing plane flew into a black hole, or conclude that this is indeed an important story and then proceed to tell me the key facts of the story and why it matters.

And it amuses me that people such as Gerbil seem worried about entirely the wrong things. He doesn't seem worried about any of what I just laid out, and instead is off in his own little weird fantasy land of thinking that the MSM regularly just fakes news stories entirely. And so he seems to prefer to ignore them and buy into crazy conservative propaganda news outlets who do regularly fake news stores in their entirety. Bizarre stuff.

[rogue06]

Thats because most americans, those that aren't brainwashed by actual liars the likes of Hannity, Alex Jones, Limbaugh, Brietbart, Trump et al, into believing that, know otherwise.

A poll conducted by Emerson College found that 53% of Americans think that the MSM is dishonest, or at the least, untruthful. That is considerably more than the audience of those you mentioned.

And this is not an anomaly. A Gallup poll last year shows that only 32% of Americans trust the media to report the news "fully, accurately and fairly." And a Harvard-Harris poll released last month revealed that two-thirds of Americans think that there is a lot of fake news in the MSM.

[Tassman]

A poll conducted by Emerson College found that 53% of Americans think that the MSM is dishonest, or at the least, untruthful. That is considerably more than the audience of those you mentioned.

Although, by comparison, only 45% say Trump keeps his promises, down from 62% in February according to Gallup.

And this is not an anomaly. A Gallup poll last year shows that only 32% of Americans trust the media to report the news "fully, accurately and fairly." And a Harvard-Harris poll released last month revealed that two-thirds of Americans think that there is a lot of fake news in the MSM.

Surely that depends upon which MSM you’re referring to. E.g. the Trump faithful support the likes of Fox news and will naturally consider that other MSM are biased against Trump, whereas those against Trump veer towards the likes of CNN. And countries with a national broadcaster such as the BBC or the Australian ABC, enforce a charter which requires transparency and unbiased reporting as far as possible.

Regardless, a free press is essential as a control mechanism over the dishonest grandiosity of Trump and his personal Breitbart propaganda machine.

[Psychic Missile]

i think it is hilarious that the left started the whole "fake news" meme to try to discredit right-wing sources and now it has come to represent the mainstream left-wing news.

The term "fake news" was created to describe the sharing of articles on Facebook written by one-man-show satirists and exploiters, many from countries like Macedonia or Georgia, who made up stories to get ad revenue. These stories were especially, but not exclusively, popular with conservatives, including conservative reporters and politicians. Now fake news is used by conservatives to label any article critical of their cause, or more specifically, the president. Notice the sudden decrying of anonymous sources even though they have been used for as long as news media has existed. They are just as trustworthy as they always have been. Notice people talking about fake news on CNN while using Breitbart or Fox as their primary news vehicle. All news media is beholden to ulterior motives, as Starlight has explained, and turning to outlets that, through a dearth, can unabashedly become propaganda outlets, is hypocritical.

[Meh Gerbil]

For one thing you people are not talking about all news sources, you are cherry picking certain aspects of some stories that are in error coming from sources that you don't happen to like, because you believe them to be a biased source. But what you don't do is to point out the hundreds of stories coming from those sources that are true. You are cherry picking in order to enforce your own brainwashed beliefs that the MSM is fake news. Why aren't you pointing out the many false stories that come from those conservative sites that print what you like to see? It isn't that you mistrust the media, its that you are biased about the media.

Read my post until you find the part that says: All news sources in the USA...
If you want to slam Breitbart, FOX or whatever, have at it.
You won't find me defending them.

[Mountain Man]

This is the kind of stuff that can take down a network...

Source: Breitbart

The scandal surrounding CNN’s mishandling of a very fake news hit piece on President Donald Trump and his associates grows bigger on Sunday night as the network’s president Jeff Zucker and public relations team is refusing to comment to anyone — even to CNN media reporter Brian Stelter — about what happened.

Stelter, in his Sunday evening newsletter named for the television program he hosts Reliable Sources, credited a Breitbart News investigation with forcing what he admitted is an embarrassing retraction for his employer CNN.

“On Friday evening CNN.com fully retracted a story after questions were raised about the accuracy of the reporting and sourcing,” Stelter wrote:

The story, by Thomas Frank of the investigative unit, said Congress was investigating a “Russian investment fund with ties to Trump officials.” It didn’t get TV airtime, but it was shared on the web, where it was spotted and scrutinized by Breitbart. On Friday night the story was replaced by an editor’s note: “That story did not meet CNN’s editorial standards and has been retracted. Links to the story have been disabled.” The editor’s note included an apology to Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci, who was named in the story. The next morning Scaramucci responded via Twitter: “CNN did the right thing. Classy move. Apology accepted. Everyone makes mistakes. Moving on.” Some prominent conservative figures, like Donald Trump Jr. and Sean Hannity, seized on the story as an example of anti-Trump bias and anonymous source malfeasance…

But then, after calling this episode “an embarrassing moment for CNN,” Stelter dropped a neutron bomb on his own employer: He revealed that CNN is refusing to comment on or explain the matter, even to CNN.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ia-retraction/

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The network is also being protested by conservative activists who are demanding that Zucker give a public accounting of this, and CNN itself is ironically finding its internal memos leaked to other media outlets, one memo which laid down a new CNN policy where any story about Russia now has to be cleared by the the network's top brass.

Someone is losing their job over this, that's certain.

[Sparko]

For one thing you people are not talking about all news sources, you are cherry picking certain aspects of some stories that are in error coming from sources that you don't happen to like, because you believe them to be a biased source. But what you don't do is to point out the hundreds of stories coming from those sources that are true. You are cherry picking in order to enforce your own brainwashed beliefs that the MSM is fake news. Why aren't you pointing out the many false stories that come from those conservative sites that print what you like to see? It isn't that you mistrust the media, its that you are biased about the media.

Jim, yes there are fake stories coming from the right as well as the left. I think that is the point that Gerbz was making: You can't trust any of them. The problem is that MOST MSM sources are LEFT so that means that MOST of the fake news is coming from the LEFT MSM. And currently they have the motive right now to spew fake news: They want to take down Trump.

Now online, non-MSM 'news' sources are filled with fake news sites that make up stuff all through the spectrum from left to right. That is because they don't care what "side" anyone is on. Their motivations are not political but monetary. They want people to spread their stories so they can make money advertising. So they make up completely outrageous stories that gullible people spread on facebook and other sites. One I remember from back when Obama was potus was "Obama has banned the pledge of allegience!"

[Meh Gerbil]

And it amuses me that people such as Gerbil seem worried about entirely the wrong things. He doesn't seem worried about any of what I just laid out, and instead is off in his own little weird fantasy land of thinking that the MSM regularly just fakes news stories entirely. And so he seems to prefer to ignore them and buy into crazy conservative propaganda news outlets who do regularly fake news stores in their entirety. Bizarre stuff.

Feel free to link to any posts where I've been a supporter of 'conservative propaganda news outlets'.
If you cannot back up this smear I'll ask you to retract it.

Thanks.

[JimL]

Read my post until you find the part that says: All news sources in the USA...
If you want to slam Breitbart, FOX or whatever, have at it.
You won't find me defending them.

When I see you posting the false stories posted by the likes of Brietbart or Fox et. al., then maybe I'll take you seriously, but you don't, and that is tantamount to defending them. You supposed concern for fake news is BS., you don't really even understand what fake news is.

[Sparko]

When I see you posting the false stories posted by the likes of Brietbart or Fox et. al., then maybe I'll take you seriously, but you don't, and that is tantamount to defending them. You supposed concern for fake news is BS., you don't really even understand what fake news is.

why don't you post some fake news by Breitbart or Fox, et. al.?

[Meh Gerbil]

When I see you posting the false stories posted by the likes of Brietbart or Fox et. al., then maybe I'll take you seriously, but you don't, and that is tantamount to defending them. You supposed concern for fake news is BS., you don't really even understand what fake news is.

I just had the unpleasant realization that I've been wasting my life.

[Bill the Cat]

Feel free to link to any posts where I've been a supporter of 'conservative propaganda news outlets'.
If you cannot back up this smear I'll ask you to retract it.

Thanks.

Here ya go Gerbz...

[Meh Gerbil]

Thanks Bill, that is my new favorite video.

[Zymologist]

Thanks Bill, that is my new favorite video.

It's almost as good as "They're taking the hobbits to Isengard!" - 10 hour version.