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  • #31
    Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post

    Has there ever been inspiring female candidate??
    La Cicciolina
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
    .
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
      Has there ever been inspiring female candidate??
      sarah_palin_alaska_3.jpg
      Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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      • #33
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Margaret Thatcher? Golda Meir?
        Vigdis Finnsboggadottir
        Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

        MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
        MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

        seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Roy View Post
          Vigdis Finnsboggadottir
          Is it possible to have a favorite politician based on nothing but their name?
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
            Is it possible to have a favorite politician based on nothing but their name?
            Grover Cleveland

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Roy View Post
              Vigdis Finnsboggadottir
              Just listening to various news readers and other talking heads struggling to pronounce her name would be so full of win.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Vigdis Finnsboggadottir
                Now that was a person who knew how to be a president. (I just looked up her bio.)
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by EvoUK View Post

                  It will be interesting to see how this effects the colossal act of pointless self-harm that was Brexit
                  Farage says he'll go back to politics if necessary!!
                  Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                  • #39
                    Good Russian agent 'Boris' must kick out 'Remainer' failure Theresa May, also take over and Make UK Great Again!!!
                    Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by demi-conservative View Post
                      Good Russian agent 'Boris' must kick out 'Remainer' failure Theresa May
                      I was wondering as I watched the UK election results, to what extent Russia had tried to hack the election...

                      Boris is in some ways the obvious choice to replace Theresa May. However the new PM's major first task is to negotiate Brexit with the EU and get a good deal for the UK. Since Boris' name is mud with the EU precisely because of Brexit, it seems doubtful that Boris would be made PM because he doesn't have enough standing with the EU to be taken seriously by them in negotiations.

                      There's also going to be issues surrounding the Irish border. There was a hilarious moment on the BBC when they interviewed a politician from Northern Ireland who was rambling about how great it is to have an open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland itself because Irish people commute across it to work daily etc, and the BBC host pointed out that once Brexit happens, that the UK will have to tighten up freedom of movement on that border to stop people getting into the UK from Europe via Ireland. The Irish politician looked completely flummoxed and didn't seem to have ever considered that issue.
                      Last edited by Starlight; 06-09-2017, 08:50 PM.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #41
                        It was interesting watching the UK election coverage to realize how regional UK politics is - i.e. Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales, London, the rest of England all have very different political issues that they're basing their votes on. The analysts on the BBC would have clearly loved it if they could have given some sort of simple overall narrative about the election like "this election is about Brexit" but they were openly admitting that such a simple explanation clearly didn't work and this election was about a lot of different issues. I found seeing just how complex the regional politics of the UK was to be quite interesting because it's something I'd never really followed before (here in NZ there's a rural / urban divide but that's about it).
                        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                        • #42
                          Reminder to Americans: The UK just ran an entire national election from announcement of the election through to election results being fully counted in 7 weeks. That was less time than has occurred between the first special election in the US state of Georgia and the run-off election there.

                          Perhaps Americans would like to learn from the UK how to have national elections that don't take 18 months?

                          For the sarcastically impaired the following is said in jest

                          But the US has the best democracy in the world!




                          Another notable feature of this election was that youth turnout rose by something like 12 to 32 percentage points (final numbers aren't in yet, those are estimations by pollsters and for different demographics: <35yrs, 18-24yrs). And the youth vote went to Labour over the Conservatives by 30 points or more.

                          This seems to reflect a number of things:
                          1. The youth are willing to vote if you give them issues that matter and politicians that stand for their needs. They are not 'lazy and disinterested in politics'.
                          2. Jeremy Corbyn as a leader seems to have really inspired the youth vote, in a way similar to Bernie Sanders in the US.
                          3. A lot of the younger generation are really far left in their political views, both in the UK and the US. If you give them two right-wing parties/policies to choose between they don't vote, but if you give them an actual left-wing option, they will turn out in droves and vote for it.
                          Last edited by Starlight; 06-10-2017, 12:31 AM.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            I was wondering as I watched the UK election results, to what extent Russia had tried to hack the election...
                            well Jeremy Corbyn does want to scrap Trident and I can imagine that being convenient to the Russians

                            Originally posted by Starlight
                            Boris is in some ways the obvious choice to replace Theresa May. However the new PM's major first task is to negotiate Brexit with the EU and get a good deal for the UK. Since Boris' name is mud with the EU precisely because of Brexit, it seems doubtful that Boris would be made PM because he doesn't have enough standing with the EU to be taken seriously by them in negotiations.
                            Boris Johnson is presently Foreign Secretary and works with EU leaders a lot.

                            Originally posted by Starlight
                            There's also going to be issues surrounding the Irish border. There was a hilarious moment on the BBC when they interviewed a politician from Northern Ireland who was rambling about how great it is to have an open border between Northern Ireland and Ireland itself because Irish people commute across it to work daily etc, and the BBC host pointed out that once Brexit happens, that the UK will have to tighten up freedom of movement on that border to stop people getting into the UK from Europe via Ireland. The Irish politician looked completely flummoxed and didn't seem to have ever considered that issue.
                            You are projecting your thoughts and feelings onto the Irish Polititian as do many others. The border looms large in the mind of everyone on the Emerald Isle and is a conundrum so not something with easy answers to give. Theresa May is possibly going to be relying on the DUP to make up her majority. The DUP want a soft border.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Starlight

                              Another notable feature of this election was that youth turnout rose by something like 12 to 32 percentage points (final numbers aren't in yet, those are estimations by pollsters and for different demographics: <35yrs, 18-24yrs). And the youth vote went to Labour over the Conservatives by 30 points or more.

                              This seems to reflect a number of things:
                              1. The youth are willing to vote if you give them issues that matter and politicians that stand for their needs. They are not 'lazy and disinterested in politics'.
                              2. Jeremy Corbyn as a leader seems to have really inspired the youth vote, in a way similar to Bernie Sanders in the US.
                              3. A lot of the younger generation are really far left in their political views, both in the UK and the US. If you give them two right-wing parties/policies to choose between they don't vote, but if you give them an actual left-wing option, they will turn out in droves and vote for it.
                              Yes they did mobilise the youth.
                              Fact: Liberals are overly represented in staffing positions in sixth form and tertiary education institutions and they set out to indoctrinate people and those who parrot out the clap do well opportunitywise. There is no fair hearing for non liberals in those places.
                              Fact: Jeremy Corbyn promised to scrap tuition fees on tertiary education which was a big pulling card and university towns which have traditionally been conservative (like Canterbury - conservative since 1918) were suddenly turning red. They were interviewing students in Leeds who had voted for Corbyn (over Lib Democrats) and where he had done well. Most had non-local accents. Labour were all over social media and if reporting is right, set up thousands of fake accounts to give clout to their message.
                              Fact: a lot of Northern towns wanted Brexit because they are the ones who have lost out to multiculturalism and uncontrolled immigration but Jeremy Corbyn effectively neutralized a lot of the Brexitly targetted voting by offering (unrealistically imo): immediate economic benefits.
                              Fact: Mrs May seemed totally unprepared to be in the brawling pit with the likes of Corbyn and his ilk. He was always going to be a slippery one and she should have paced him.
                              Last edited by Abigail; 06-10-2017, 02:01 AM.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Abigail View Post
                                Liberals are overly represented in staffing positions in sixth form and tertiary education institutions and they set out to indoctrinate people and those who parrot out the clap do well opportunitywise. There is no fair hearing for non liberals in those places.
                                I saw an interesting article discussing that recently. It asked whether universities have a duty to teach stupid and incoherent and disproven ideas as being on par with intelligent and coherent and proven ideas: An 'equal time' for creation and evolution as it were. Because it found that the reason most universities weren't teaching 'conservative' ideas were because the universities simply considered the conservative ideas stupid/disproven/incoherent/wrong, so they taught what modern science supported and what modern academic research had found to be correct. Conservatives, in getting upset over this, are essentially asking for a 'safe space' for their ideas in unis, and are upset that their ideas don't meet normal criteria for correctness or truthfulness and hence are discarded in evidenced-based academic institutions.

                                I see this playing out among young people on the internet in its own way: In online discussions, the internet-savvy and education younger generation is extremely good at using google to research things and will link to relevant articles. Especially in forums that allow upvoting of helpful comments, the quality of the discussions can be very very high and claims are subjected to rigorous scrutiny and quickly downvoted if found to be in error. This seems to be allowing young people all across the Western world to reach a consensus understanding about politics that is very evidence-focused and leans very liberal/left/socialist.
                                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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