Why does Shunyadragon believe in God?

[Sparko]

Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You cited the post and definition, dumb bunny!!!!!!!!

yeah and I asked if you believed that God was Ruler of the world and active in men's affairs.

You never said you agreed with and believed the part of the definition of God being the Ruler of the world. We are just trying to get you to do so. Refusal to answer makes it look like you don't.

[shunyadragon]

yeah and I asked if you believed that God was Ruler of the world and active in men's affairs.

You never said you agreed with and believed the part of the definition of God being the Ruler of the world. We are just trying to get you to do so. Refusal to answer makes it look like you don't.

Get a life! Your an Anal Lilliputian.

[gerry]

Still waiting for Shuny to answer for himself. Simple questions that he can answer with simple and plain answers. No need to go on for 10 paragraphs without actually saying anything.

1. Do you believe God is a sentient, self-aware entity?

2. How does your idea of God being a natural source of the universe differ from that of any agnostic or atheist?

I am myself wondering if I have got the God that Adrift and Sparko believe in or know to exist.

To Q1, I answer Yes.

To Q2, I also know God to be a natural force but unlike atheists' lack of belief etc., for myself God is also a supernatural force and also a person and also sentient, etc.


So, I can't see anything inconsistent or incoherent or even contradictory in my knowledge of and faith in God as a natural force and a supernatural force and a person and is personal to me and is intelligent, sentient, etc., but of course in all these even if known to man in an anthropomorphical manner, it is in God to the nth degree superior and enhanced compared to man's corresponding such attributes.


I would say Shuny is a theist by definition but not a Christian theist.

That should dispense him from the conundrum of predestination.


With all due respect, in interrogating Shuny aren't you guys into nitpicking?



Gerry

[Xru]

With all due respect, in interrogating Shuny aren't you guys into nitpicking?

Well Sparko . . . How 'bout it???????????????1??!?!!!!????????????

[Xru]

Your an Anal Lilliputian.

I give you a reputation boost for that . . . phrase making. That's the kind of talk we need more of here on tWeb.

None of this "You're an idiot" stuff . . . Anal Lilliputian . . . sweet!

[shunyadragon]

With all due respect, in interrogating Shuny aren't you guys into nitpicking?

Gerry

Actually frog hair splitting and hen's teeth grinding.

[Xru]

Actually frog hair splitting and hen's teeth grinding.

It's possible that Sparko is snickering in his Pirate beard when he gets like that. Sparko is a sneaky Pirate with a very deviant sense of humor, IMHO.

He may be just yanking your chain, Shuny.

[gerry]

Well, theists of different schools each have their special orientation and emphasis, but God is one and we can only approach him with our intelligence.

So, let us just be intelligent in the best manners that we can each command, whatever the differences.


Now, what is intelligence?

Perhaps we can use the criteria employed by authors of IQ tests, in the absence of any uniform concept of what is intelligence among thinkers; at least the IQ experts have criteria for intelligence testing by which they can score humans on intelligence, the kind needed to be productive in human activities in the service of each man's survival and progress in life as also for mankind at large.


I will leave this thread now, but I want to say here that I don't see why religions should be blamed for massive killings in mankind down mankind's history, specially not the most massive of any one century.

Next I like to have monotheists all get our acts together to establish a world council of monotheists; no not to rule all mankind but just to be an official spokesman to the rest of mankind on what are the common positions of monotheists on any issue that is of concern to any sizable groups of mankind as also mankind at large, but certainly without an military machinery like what the UN maintains and operates.

The way I see it, monotheists are the most intelligent and learned men today with a very high and deep acquaintance and a very broad one at that of mankind's history and the nature of man, so when an international council of monotheists speaks with one voice on any issue, intelligent men and women everywhere should take them seriously.

No, I beg to disagree, it is no moral chauvinism, but a just legitimate concern for the welfare of mankind -- of course in the opinion again of monotheists united.


What about atheists, don't they make up a big group of highly intelligent and learned humans?

Only within their claim and insistence to restrict their minds to only naturalistic and materialistic sciences, that is already a self-censoring of their intelligence -- and therefore not any kind of genuine intelligence and not any kind of genuine learning.




Gerry

[Sparko]

I am myself wondering if I have got the God that Adrift and Sparko believe in or know to exist.

To Q1, I answer Yes.

To Q2, I also know God to be a natural force but unlike atheists' lack of belief etc., for myself God is also a supernatural force and also a person and also sentient, etc.


So, I can't see anything inconsistent or incoherent or even contradictory in my knowledge of and faith in God as a natural force and a supernatural force and a person and is personal to me and is intelligent, sentient, etc., but of course in all these even if known to man in an anthropomorphical manner, it is in God to the nth degree superior and enhanced compared to man's corresponding such attributes.


I would say Shuny is a theist by definition but not a Christian theist.

That should dispense him from the conundrum of predestination.


With all due respect, in interrogating Shuny aren't you guys into nitpicking?



Gerry

as I am a moderator on this site, it is part of my job, since I am in charge of several theist-only areas on tweb. a simple answer to my questions would solve all this "nitpicking" - but Shuny enjoys playing games and being vague and not answering questions directly.

[Adrift]

I am myself wondering if I have got the God that Adrift and Sparko believe in or know to exist.

If you agree with Apostle's Creed which includes themes like the doctrine of the Trinity, the creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment, then I'd say you probably believe in the God that Sparko and I believe to exist.

[shunyadragon]

It's possible that Sparko is snickering in his Pirate beard when he gets like that. Sparko is a sneaky Pirate with a very deviant sense of humor, IMHO.

He may be just yanking your chain, Shuny.

Unfortunately I think Sparko is serious.

[gerry]

Addressing Shuny:


Even though I said that I am leaving this thread, still I want to stay and get to know more about the God you believe in or know to exist.


Suppose if I may ask you:

1. what are the features of God in the Christian faith which you don't like?

2. What are the features of Christians' exposition of God which you don't like?

Just keep to the essentials in the most economy of words.



I must admit that from my stock knowledge of God in the Baha'i faith He is no different from God in the Christian faith, except that if God in the Baha'i faith would just accept the additional features of God in the Christian faith, which as far as my stock knowledge goes for the Baha'i faith should be nothing to find contradictory to Himself God in the Baha'i faith, then both Gods will have the same one identity even in features relative to man.

Or, Shuny, you would rather that God in the Christian faith be divested of the features you don't like? Well, for myself I am willing to discuss the matter.


Further, right away I will say that again from stock knowledge, God in the Baha'i faith is not into any kingdom of God in the next life or in the world to come after this present one.

God in the Baha'i faith as generally with Baha'i people is into the unification of mankind to achieve the complete and lasting peace and love and happiness for mankind without having to wait for each man, woman, and child to come to the next life, and also not into a kingdom of God at the end of the present world.



Gerry

[shunyadragon]

Suppose if I may ask you:

1. what are the features of God in the Christian faith which you don't like?

2. What are the features of Christians' exposition of God which you don't like?

First, these are a bit trappy in terms of asking what I personally 'like or not like,' what I believe is not necessarily what I 'like and not like.' I consider these two questions as one if you wish a brief answer.

(1) The view that the Christian God defined by Doctrine is exclusively the Christian God.
(2) The problem the Trinity Doctrine narrowly defining God from the human perspective.
(3) The failure to address the universal in the concept of God first proposed by Aristotle in Physica.

I must admit that from my stock knowledge of God in the Baha'i faith He is no different from God in the Christian faith, except that if God in the Baha'i faith would just accept the additional features of God in the Christian faith, which as far as my stock knowledge goes for the Baha'i faith should be nothing to find contradictory to Himself God in the Baha'i faith, then both Gods will have the same one identity even in features relative to man.

Careful with the statement, 'features relative to humans.' I believe creation including humans reflect the attributes of God.

Or, Shuny, you would rather that God in the Christian faith be divested of the features you don't like? Well, for myself I am willing to discuss the matter.

Careful, with the use of 'like.' Basically the major problem is the Trinity. It is unlikely that Christianity would divest themselves of the Doctrine.

Further, right away I will say that again from stock knowledge, God in the Baha'i faith is not into any kingdom of God in the next life or in the world to come after this present one.

From the Baha'i perspective this would unclear at best, but literally not true.

God in the Baha'i faith as generally with Baha'i people is into the unification of mankind to achieve the complete and lasting peace and love and happiness for mankind without having to wait for each man, woman, and child to come to the next life, and also not into a kingdom of God at the end of the present world.

True, but not clear on some aspect so Baha'i belief. There is no specific end of the world in the Baha'i Faith only an end of one age and the beginning of another as humans evolve spiritually from age to age.



Gerry[/QUOTE]

[gerry]

First, these are a bit trappy in terms of asking what I personally 'like or not like,' what I believe is not necessarily what I 'like and not like.' I consider these two questions as one if you wish a brief answer.

(1) The view that the Christian God defined by Doctrine is exclusively the Christian God.
(2) The problem the Trinity Doctrine narrowly defining God from the human perspective.
(3) The failure to address the universal in the concept of God first proposed by Aristotle in Physica.



Careful with the statement, 'features relative to humans.' I believe creation including humans reflect the attributes of God.



Careful, with the use of 'like.' Basically the major problem is the Trinity. It is unlikely that Christianity would divest themselves of the Doctrine.




From the Baha'i perspective this would unclear at best, but literally not true.



True, but not clear on some aspect so Baha'i belief. There is no specific end of the world in the Baha'i Faith only an end of one age and the beginning of another as humans evolve spiritually from age to age.

Dear Shuny:


Let me put it this way: you have only 20 words to tell people what you most object to in God as expounded by Christians.

So, please tell me in 20 words.




Gerry

[shunyadragon]

Dear Shuny:


Let me put it this way: you have only 20 words to tell people what you most object to in God as expounded by Christians.

So, please tell me in 20 words.




Gerry

You asked me to be brief, so I was brief. I gave some key points that are of course the subject of further discussion in other threads.There are more posts in this thread that outline my beliefs and numerous threads where I have addressed this.