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Did You Choose The Right Messiah?

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  • Did You Choose The Right Messiah?

    Do we have the right Messiah?

    The link can be found here.

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    Of all the claimants, are you sure you have the right one? Let's plunge into the Deeper Waters and find out.

    During the night, someone sent me a message about a graphic they saw. I looked at it and realized very quickly that this is someone who really is uninformed about history and how research is done and sharing another thing that tells me they're hoping that their audience is the same way. When my wife asked me about this, who is not an apologist, she came in and looked and saw the gaping error in it immediately. (By the way, that part is not an insult to my wife and is said with her permission.)

    So what is it this time?

    Messiah Claimants.jpg

    For the sake of argument, let's grant that each of these figures really claimed either to be the Messiah or was thought to be the Messiah. That could be a huge concession, but I'm willing to grant it. How could you possibly tell that you have the right one?

    I don't know. Maybe we could just look at the evidence for each?

    I realize that's a stretch. I mean, when it comes to history, internet atheists aren't really keen on evidence. The criteria is normally that if it makes Christianity look bad, it's true. If it makes Christianity look good or neutral, we should all be skeptics. I often say that internet atheists honor reason with their lips, but their hearts are far from it.

    Now I'm not going to go into a whole argument for the resurrection of Jesus. Many of you know that I have done that already. I just plan to go into historical methodology. How is it that we would examine the claims?

    First, we'd want to look at historical documents. We could actually start with the Old Testament. Since the idea of a Messiah is one rooted in the Old Testament, we would look to see what the Old Testament says about the Messiah. Then once we have that information in, we know what we're looking for. Who fits the profile?

    Then we would examine the evidence for each of these people using the best sources that are deemed the most accurate and the closest to the time. We would ask for questions about which of them fulfilled the prophecies in the Old Testament. We would also look and see if any of them did anything remarkable that could be considered a fulfillment, such as a resurrection from the dead. (Incidentally, on just being the Messiah, I also highly recommend the books of Michael Brown.)

    When I look at a graphic like this, I actually picture a town with a few thousand citizens and a murder takes place. Eventually, the police arrest someone and in court, the defense says "There are a few thousand people in this town. How do the police know they chose the right one?" They would do just what I've done. They would look at the evidence.

    I'm quite thankful to see internet atheists using arguments like this today. If this is what is seen as an intellectually devastating argument, then Christianity is in good hands. It also makes me wonder how low their standards are if they will fall for weak arguments like this one.

    In Christ,
    Nick Peters

  • #2
    Deh - Jesus Christ Superstar summed it up with (its) Pilate's comment: "You Jews bring us messiahs by the sackful."
    Matt 24:24, Mark 13:22, Act 5: 34-37 (three named in there)
    No doubt other places as well.
    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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    Scripture before Tradition:
    but that won't prevent others from
    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
    of the right to call yourself Christian.

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    • #3
      How many of those other guys came back to life and changed the world?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        How many of those other guys came back to life and changed the world?
        You can't expect that these scholars of theirs won't miss the point, surely?
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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        • #5
          No one except Jesus claimed to be Messiah until Bar Kochba, and even with him, he didn't actually say it of himself; one of his friends said it of him.

          Haile Selassie rejected the claims of Rastafarians that he was a messianic figure. Of course the list makers do "cover their asterisk" on that, but that by itself tells you how uncritical the person who made this list is. Seriously, how much time do we need to spend to decide Selassie would not be a good pick, when he rejected the title and the people who gave it to him make getting high on weed their chief ritual?

          Not exactly an intellectual powerhouse making these silly graphics.

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          • #6
            The macabees necer claimed to be the messiah. They were soldiers fighting Antiochus. Besides Judah died in the wars.
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            • #7
              Please people. We can't let silly things like details, facts, and historical accuracy get in the way of an agenda.

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