Burn in hell (aka miss an episode of Sesame Street)

[Mountain Man]

With all this talk of comfy chairs, I'm beginning to think HEEDLESS_OF_ERROR has mistaken a Monty Python skit for an apologetic.

[Mountain Man]

Thank you very much for your insightful contribution to this thread.

[jpholding]

Funny how Holdummy seems to be saying that hell isn't a big deal. No physical pain, no torture, he says we won't be psychologically abused....gee, then why is it so bad? Where's the deterrent? If it's just a place where we can go get drinks with Hitchens and Dawkins, what's the big deal? Especially if you're an individualist?

The very fact that you speak of having drinks with people as the metaphorical apogee speaks for itself in terms of your shallow perceptions of the quality of life -- and your missing the point of what I say about hell being defined by lacking things.

But as it happens, the beer WILL be warm. And here's a joke that tells the story:


***

A man went to hell and was shown various rooms from which to select his fate. In one room was Farrah Fawcett sitting on a couch with a used car salesman.

"I like his punishment, I'll take it," the man said.

The devil turned and gave him a strange look, and said:

"It's not him being punished. It's Farrah Fawcett."

[jpholding]

BTW, this is the Tektonics thread and things can get real nasty here. Maybe you should just avoid this section.

She won't. The little girl is a self-righteous busybody who thinks it is her mission to butt in hypocritically for all eternity. Now THERE is a vision of hell....

[Sparko]

The very fact that you speak of having drinks with people as the metaphorical apogee speaks for itself in terms of your shallow perceptions of the quality of life -- and your missing the point of what I say about hell being defined by lacking things.

But as it happens, the beer WILL be warm. And here's a joke that tells the story:


***

A man went to hell and was shown various rooms from which to select his fate. In one room was Farrah Fawcett sitting on a couch with a used car salesman.

"I like his punishment, I'll take it," the man said.

The devil turned and gave him a strange look, and said:

"It's not him being punished. It's Farrah Fawcett."

and Dawkins says "oh crap. Spending eternity with those idiots that I created."

[jpholding]

Here's another one.

***

A man was taken from room to room in hell to decide his fate.

In the first room, everyone was standing on their heads on a brick floor.

In the second room, everyone was standing on their heads on a wooden floor.

In the third room, everyone was standing knee deep in manure. But each person was holding a cup of coffee, too.

"This doesn't look as bad as the others. I'll take it," the man said.

He walked in, and just as the door slammed behind him for good, a voice came on overhead:

"All right, coffee break's over! Time to go back to standing on your heads!"

[Reality Check]

Here's another one.

***

A man was taken from room to room in hell to decide his fate.

In the first room, everyone was standing on their heads on a brick floor.

In the second room, everyone was standing on their heads on a wooden floor.

In the third room, everyone was standing knee deep in manure. But each person was holding a cup of coffee, too.

"This doesn't look as bad as the others. I'll take it," the man said.

He walked in, and just as the door slammed behind him for good, a voice came on overhead:

"All right, coffee break's over! Time to go back to standing on your heads!"

Forcing people to stand on their head in fecal matter forever and ever is torture, genius. Try again.

Face it, Holdummy, either hell isn't that bad (warm beer, oh noes!) , which means nobody cares much about going there, or its torture forever and ever which makes Biblegod a sadistic monster. Which is it?

[jpholding]

As an aside:

And just to really twist the knife here for all you "argument from outrage" sheeple out there), I HAVE used the proper form of argument. Christianity sets a standard and breaks it. Holding himself, for example, on the issue of Jephthah's vow (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jepthah.html) accepted that if we had a real human sacrifice on our hands that would be a significant issue (Holding: "If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then we have a very disturbing story indeed, one that suggests that God endorsed a human sacrifice -- implicity if not explicitly."). Hence, it would be possible for the Bible to sabotage itself by being inconsistent. That's exactly the logical form of how I've argued and no canned trope that you've conditioned yourself to hurl at any-skeptic-with-moral-talk will erase that.

In addition to the above, Whiner-Failure has failed to grasp that:

1) My point re "argument by outrage" in my article is not that outrage is not possible as an immediate reaction to any particular account. My point is that it does not serve as substitute for a rational argument showing that the outrage is justified.

2) Even so, "disturbing" does not mean "unresolvable cause for outrage or objection".

Whiner-Failure has spent so many years hating himself (and me) that he doesn't bother to actually get a handle on what I'm arguing. Is it any wonder he wants to wave of his ignorance on subjects like entrapment, ancient metaphors, and patronage? Of course he does. It's much simpler to just whine about how mean God is, because you don't need to argue rationally for that; you just need to make people stop thinking and get them to cry.

The absurdity as well is that I have laid out what I think the experience of hell will be like...not uncomfy chairs, not frozen states...and he's too insensate to go looking for it.

[jpholding]

Forcing people to stand on their head in fecal matter forever and ever is torture, genius. Try again.

It's a joke, genius, not a theological treatise. Try again.

Face it, Holdummy, either hell isn't that bad (warm beer, oh noes!) , which means nobody cares much about going there, or its torture forever and ever which makes Biblegod a sadistic monster. Which is it?

Uh huh. We'll see what you have to say after your fourth warm beer (also a joke, genius, not a theological treatise).

[Mountain Man]

Forcing people to stand on their head in fecal matter forever and ever is torture, genius. Try again.

Face it, Holdummy, either hell isn't that bad (warm beer, oh noes!) , which means nobody cares much about going there, or its torture forever and ever which makes Biblegod a sadistic monster. Which is it?

There's a third option: you're a willful idiot who is irrepressibly uninformed about the nature of hell.

[Reality Check]

It's a joke, genius, not a theological treatise. Try again.



Uh huh. We'll see what you have to say after your fourth warm beer (also a joke, genius, not a theological treatise).

Then tell me Holdummy, what awaits me for coming to the conclusion that Biblegod is as much a fantasy as Zeus and Osiris, according to your theology? Do I get "bonus points" for also thinking that Jesus is most likely completely mythical as well? Be specific.

[Sparko]

I just had a horrible thought. What if WE are in hell and Reality Check is our punishment!?

[jpholding]

Then tell me Holdummy, what awaits me for coming to the conclusion that Biblegod is as much a fantasy as Zeus and Osiris, according to your theology? Do I get "bonus points" for also thinking that Jesus is most likely completely mythical as well? Be specific.

No, I'll just let you flounder around guessing so you can make an even more complete jackass of yourself.

That could of course also be your answer.

By the way, Irene wasn't sent to punish you by making you lose your power so you wouldn't be on here.

It was sent to reward US.

[Xru]

I just had a horrible thought. What if WE are in hell and Reality Check is our punishment!?

Oh man! I'm having an acid flashback. Stop it S!!!!!

[Sparko]

Oh man! I'm having an acid flashback. Stop it S!!!!!

Coffee Break is over!