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December 7th 2003, 04:33 PM #1
Finding the Lord, in 'Lord of the Rings'
Finding the Lord, in 'Lord of the Rings'
- by Jamie Lugibihl ("The Courier Houma Today," January 25, 2002)
When J.R.R. Tolkien, creator of Middle-earth and author of "Lord of the Rings," began creating a fantasy world, he envisioned one that would reflect Christian views and incorporate basic elements of Christianity into the world of fiction.
While most movie-goers may not realize the impact Tolkien's beliefs had on the creation of the trilogy, Tolkien recognized his work as mirroring the basic elements of Christianity. In a letter to a friend, Tolkien wrote that the creation of "Lord of the Rings" was a "fundamentally religious and Christian work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision."
During Tolkien's life, his impact in the world for Christ had far-reaching and long-lasting effects. Author and teacher C.S. Lewis credits his transition from just believing in God to accepting Christ and Christianity to a long night talk with Tolkien.
After Lewis' conversion, the men became good friends and dreamed together of writing fantasy that would incorporate the elements of their faith. For Lewis, the product of this dream was his "Chronicles of Narnia," while Tolkien's was "The Lord of the Rings."
Although Lewis' "Chronicles of Narnia" boldly depict Christianity in an allegorical style, Christians reading and viewing "Lord of the Rings" have noticed the undercurrent of Christian themes in the work.
"There are definitely elements that Christians can find in the movie," said Robert Stewart, assistant professor of philosophy and theology at the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary. "The theme remains consistent with the Christian message. There is definite Christian symbolism. Not everyone will get the symbolism, but it is still very prevalent throughout the film."
Stewart said he expects the third movie in the trilogy, "Return of the King," to have the most evident Christian influence. "The idea of a king returning is very clearly Christian," he said. "Christians obviously think of Jesus as king. God is sovereign, and we anticipate the return of Jesus Christ. That connection between the fiction work and Christianity is very apparent."
The response of most Christians to the fantasy movie seems positive and encouraging, compared to some Christian feedback from the recent Harry Potter movie and books, which were banned in some Christian schools and heavily criticized in some religious circles.
While the Potter works prompted Christians to write works like "Harry Potter and the Bible: the Menace Behind the Magick" and "What's a Christian to do with Harry Potter?", Christians have written positive books about the Tolkien trilogy such as "Finding God in 'The Lord of the Rings' " by Kurt Bruner and Jim Ware.
"I think one main difference between the two is that J.R.R. Tolkien develops an entire world, Middle-earth, that you understand does not exist," Stewart said. "Rowling does not make the same thing obvious with Harry Potter. You can't look at Harry Potter as fantasy because she confuses the lines between reality and make-believe."
Tolkien's basis in Christianity becomes apparent as the story unfolds, unveiling Christian elements throughout the tale. As the Fellowship of the Ring begins their trek across the land in an attempt to destroy the ring, Frodo Baggins, described as a boyish-looking halfling, has been chosen as the only one capable of carrying the ring.
Tolkien does not select the handsome Aragorn, the wizened Gandalf or any of the other more flamboyant characters in the Fellowship to guard the perilous ring and bring it to its destruction in the depths of Mordor.
Similar to stories of Moses and Pharaoh or David and Goliath, many Christians feel that Tolkien is showing how God uses ordinary people to accomplish his will.
"God calls you as you are," said Joel Ohmer, a youth minister with the Diocese of Houma and Thibodaux. "That's one thing I try to get across to kids at retreats that we hold. God says that you are good enough. You may need some tweaking, but God calls us as we are because he see the gifts that we possess."
Many feel the ring, the focal point of the trilogy, has symbolism in that it demonstrates the power given to Christians by God.
"The fact that the ring cannot be worn and used goes along with the Christian idea that the power we have is not the power to dominate, but the power of the Spirit is the power to serve," Stewart said.
To others, the ring represents the power of sin and its destructive power.
That power for hidden sin to destroy is demonstrated in Gollum, the creature who discovered the ring and kept it hidden in dark places in the underbelly of the Earth. Eventually, his "Precious" possessed him, establishing the Biblical principle of the growing power of sin that starts small, but ends by controlling a person.
Even without the Christian influence throughout the movie, most Christians would still promote the movie, encouraging others, especially young people, to watch it.
"I would definitely encourage my youth group to see the movie," said Stuart Whitlow, youth pastor of First Baptist Church of Houma. "I think just the closeness of the people -- the friendships, the fact that they work together and stood by each other and those type of things. That's definitely positive."
"Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought."
--Gandalf in the Fellowship of the Ring
GONE FOR GOOD BECAUSE THE MODS ARE FRICKIN' RETARDS
- by Jamie Lugibihl ("The Courier Houma Today," January 25, 2002)
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December 7th 2003, 06:30 PM #2
Re: Finding the Lord, in 'Lord of the Rings'
I'd just like to point out that it took a New Zealander to bring this movie to the screens. And another New Zealander will bring the Narnia Chronicles to the screen.Jinx72:
"Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer than by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought."
--Gandalf in the Fellowship of the Ring
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December 7th 2003, 06:36 PM #3
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Today @ 10:30 PM post located here
Robyn Banks:
I'd just like to point out that it took a New Zealander to bring this movie to the screens. And another New Zealander will bring the Narnia Chronicles to the screen.
As long as they do as good a job on Narnia as LOtR, that should be cool.
Actually, they'd need to do a better job, 'cos Narnia isn't anywhere near as meaty or complex as LOtR, so it should be possible to stick much more closely to the books.
Don't you disappoint us now...
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December 8th 2003, 04:51 PM #4
I don't see why some people think it necessary to find "Christian elements" to validate reading a book.
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December 8th 2003, 09:04 PM #5
Lord of the Kings?
... and you should always buy milk from a Christian cow!Patroclus:
I don't see why some people think it necessary to find "Christian elements" to validate reading a book.
So I guess you won't be buying "Lord of the Kings", huh?
http://www.cpo-online.org.uk/catalogue.asp?cat=619
Robyn Banks
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December 8th 2003, 09:23 PM #6
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Curious are you a Kiwi12-07-2003 @ 10:30 PM post located here
Robyn Banks:
I'd just like to point out that it took a New Zealander to bring this movie to the screens. And another New Zealander will bring the Narnia Chronicles to the screen.
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December 8th 2003, 09:30 PM #7
Christian Elements
Yesterday @ 08:51 PM post located here
Patroclus:
I don't see why some people think it necessary to find "Christian elements" to validate reading a book.
I don't think anyone said anything about literature having to have Christian elements in order to validate it, although I rarely read anything other than the Bible and Bible related books. The point is Tolkein purposely wrote the trilogy with a Christian perspective and to me that is just gravy. If the books could be used to reach one person it would be wonderful. All heaven rejoices when a soul is saved. So Tolkein and the books are commendable. I do not see anything negative about reading books that edify your Chrisitanity.
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December 8th 2003, 11:14 PM #8
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I am.RCPennington:
Curious are you a Kiwi
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December 8th 2003, 11:24 PM #9
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I didn't know where you were going with that New Zealand comment, but now I do. You Kiwis were the ones who used that sneaky keel to beat us in the Americas Cup. I am going to keep my eye on you.
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December 9th 2003, 12:49 AM #10What a strange, baseless comment.Today @ 02:51 PM post located here
Patroclus:
I don't see why some people think it necessary to find "Christian elements" to validate reading a book.
GONE FOR GOOD BECAUSE THE MODS ARE FRICKIN' RETARDS
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December 9th 2003, 02:10 AM #11
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Finding the Lord, in 'Lord of the Rings'
That was the Australians who used the sneaky keel. We're often confused for Australians.RCPennington:
I didn't know where you were going with that New Zealand comment, but now I do. You Kiwis were the ones who used that sneaky keel to beat us in the Americas Cup. I am going to keep my eye on you.
We used a fair boat to beat you 5-0 a decade or so later.
Robyn Banks
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December 9th 2003, 02:21 AM #12Patroclus:
I don't see why some people think it necessary to find "Christian elements" to validate reading a book.Patroclus' comment was not baseless. The original article compares LOTR with Harry Potter, praising the (Christian-based) LOTR and speaking mainly pejoratively about Harry Potter.Jinx72:
What a strange, baseless comment.
If the comparison was merely between genres, it would be fine. But it wasn't.
Robyn Banks
P.S. We have the same number of pearls: 375. Maybe we are equally wise, Jinx72? Or maybe we are equally swine, and the pearl-givers were all fools?
P.P.S. And we were born in the same year, under the same star sign.
P.P.P.S. Spooky.
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December 9th 2003, 08:10 AM #13
Basing the world of "The Lord of the Rings" on the world of Beowulf and the Icelandic sagas, Tolkien was fascinated with how such literature bore elements "which bridge the preChristian and Christian Germanic worlds, by making the characters in the poem noble, monotheistic pre-Christians, for an audience of Christian Germanic people." (Savage)
It was Tolkien's view that (like Joseph Campell) myth is the truth behind the mere facts that had the biggest influence on C.S. Lewis's becoming a Christian. Lewis came to see that "Christ is the corn god", and it was this that convinced him of the veracity of Christianity.
It's funny that many people use the same argument to try to derogate Christianity
As for me, I'm with the Cambridge & Oxford Professor of Medieval and Renaissance Literature and the Oxford Professor of Anglo-Saxon, who between them have produced the greatest 20th century English literature of the fantasty genre. I get the feeling they kind of know what they were talking about!
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December 10th 2003, 04:45 AM #14
I think that if the Lord is not found in a movie, the movie is not worth watching
I like to see God and the mysteries of grace reflected in the movies and TV shows I watch. Anything that is truly beautiful will in some way reflect He who is Beauty.
I think LOTR was based on Christianity. Tolkien was a Catholic and he was friends with CS Lewis ... I think he was influential in CS Lewis' personal conversion, but was unable to persuade him to becoming a Catholic rather than remaining an Anglican. There's supposed to be more Christian imagery in the special extended DVD releases -- at least for the 1st one .. probably the 2nd too.She stood near the Crucified, suffering deeply with her Firstborn; with a motherly heart she associated herself with his Sacrifice; with love she consented to his immolation: she offered him and she offered herself to the Father. Every Eucharist is a memorial of that Sacrifice and that Passover that restored life to the world; every Mass puts us in intimate communion with her, the Mother, whose sacrifice "becomes present" just as the Sacrifice of her Son "becomes present" at the words of consecration of the bread and wine pronounced by the priest. (JP2)
Mary suffered and, as it were, nearly died with her suffering Son; for the salvation of mankind she renounced her mother's rights and, as far as it depended on her, offered her Son to placate divine justice; so we may well say that she with Christ redeemed mankind. (Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia)
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December 10th 2003, 05:54 AM #15Paul:
I think that if the Lord is not found in a movie, the movie is not worth watching
I like to see God and the mysteries of grace reflected in the movies and TV shows I watch. Anything that is truly beautiful will in some way reflect He who is Beauty.- "A state of mind that sees God in everything is evidence of growth in grace and a thankful heart."
- Charles G Finney
"To grasp God in all things - this is the sign of your new birth."
- Meister Eckhart
"Take, for example, a pencil, ashtray, anything, and holding it before you in both hands, regard it for a while. Forgetting its use and name, yet continuing to regard it, ask yourself seriously, "What is it?"... Its dimension of wonder opens; for the mystery of the being of that being is identical with the mystery of the being of the universe - and yourself."
- Joseph Campbell
Robyn Banks
- "A state of mind that sees God in everything is evidence of growth in grace and a thankful heart."
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